Violence in Köln (falsly claimed on migrants)?

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I came across a youtube video (in German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6nd38tHZEM&t=440s) which claims that hundreds of muslim migrants had caused this violence: (https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/ausschreitungen-im-koelner-karneval-100.html). However, the report linked to doesn´t even mention migrants and the protagonist in the video seems to conclude from the fact that the violent mob wasn´t drunk that it must have been muslims (as if you had to assume that every self-respecting German must be drunk during carnival). Deepl-translation:

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Targeted brawls in the Cologne carnival

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    New phenomenon of violence: deliberate provocation
    Several major police operations in Cologne
    Mass brawl at Zülpicher Platz

Usually the rackets are not dressed up, they are not interested in partying. They are on the lookout for carnivalists who have drunk a lot of alcohol. They provoke their victims and then start beating them. The Cologne student district is particularly affected. There the police had to intervene again that night (24.02./25.02.2020).
Repeated riots

Just like the days before. On carnival Saturday (22.02.2020), for example, she took action against aggressive youths with a large contingent. They got into fights at the popular carnival meeting point Zülpicher Platz, several people were injured.

According to the police, the atmosphere was heated up, the 350 or so young people were drunk and most were between 16 and 18 years old. Even when the police cleared the square, there were repeated fights.

Already on Friday evening (21.02.2020) there were riots on Zülpicher Platz, 500 youths are said to have been involved. An unknown person threw a glass bottle and only just missed the head of a policewoman, a 16-year-old stepped on a police dog.
New phenomenon

The police now see the phenomenon of targeted beatings relatively frequently. The young provocateurs are usually small groups who do not drink alcohol and do not want to party. However, they deliberately mingle with the partygoers, some of whom are drunk, to instigate fights.

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Does any of you "Cologners" know whether that claim is true or false?

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47 minutes ago, jeba said:

I came across a youtube video (in German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6nd38tHZEM&t=440s) which claims that hundreds of muslim migrants had caused this violence: (https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/ausschreitungen-im-koelner-karneval-100.html). However, the report linked to doesn´t even mention migrants and the protagonist in the video seems to conclude from the fact that the violent mob wasn´t drunk that it must have been muslims (as if you had to assume that every self-respecting German must be drunk during carnival). Deepl-translation:

 

Does any of you "Cologners" know whether that claim is true or false?

 

I know you are retired and bored, but you really need to find a job.

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There was definitely some violence at Zülpicher Platz during Carnival and, unfortunately, this is becoming more and more normal. It was also reported in the local paper (express) but there was never any mention of migrants or the religion of the people involved- https://www.express.de/koeln/schon-wieder-feier-eskaliert---polizei-muss-zuelpicher-platz-erneut-raeumen-36286734

 

Zülpicher Platz is a big student area with a lot of nice pubs and bars and there is always a big gathering there on most weekends and definitely during Carnival and most people there will be between 16 and 25 and the chance of any people that age being sober during Carnival is pretty much zero. I was out and about during Carnival at Zülpicher Platz (earlier) as well as the centre and saw quite a few drunken people but not real problems.

 

So was there trouble - yes. Were the people involved Muslim migrants - unlikely as this would have been reported by at least one 'decent' source rather than Oliver Flesch who from his other YouTube videos seems to interested in promoting up anti-migration/anti-corona propaganda. More likely these were just left wing drunk students who had drunk too much and things go out of hand.

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No, I don’t. Still a lot of Vergangenheitsbewaeltigung/ coming to terms with the past/  around. Just have a few older German friends ( as I do.)
 

It is all Twitter this and that these days anyway.

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11 hours ago, Petro6golf said:

Do you trust the German media to report anything anti migrant to the masses? 

 

I wouldn't expect decent media to report anything anti- any racial of ethnic group.    I would expect them to report what happened and don't even take sides.

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2 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

I wouldn't expect decent media to report anything anti- any racial of ethnic group.    I would expect them to report what happened and don't even take sides.

 

The German media will never report anything truthful that riles the masses or puts a negative light on refugees or anything pro right. Im not anti refugee or pro afd/right but its pretty obvious they have a leftist government and media and aim to keep it that way. Ever notice when some crime is committed and it makes the news how quickly they will report the person is "far right" or has a German sounding name and how they make a point to show the person is a German citizen but when they are a foreigner usually they wont report the persons name? Pay attention next time you see a crime story, it almost always says "Hans R, a German citizen from whatever town, was arrested for this and that" but when its a refugee or foreigner they always say "an unidentified man was arrested for this and that". You will rarely see "Mohammed from Syria was arrested for..."

 

The German media has an agenda just like most all of the worlds media does. The only way to get the truth is for you to go down there yourself and see whats happening and talk to people and find your own middle ground. 

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1 hour ago, Petro6golf said:

 

The German media will never report anything truthful that riles the masses or puts a negative light on refugees or anything pro right. Im not anti refugee or pro afd/right but its pretty obvious they have a leftist government and media and aim to keep it that way. Ever notice when some crime is committed and it makes the news how quickly they will report the person is "far right" or has a German sounding name and how they make a point to show the person is a German citizen but when they are a foreigner usually they wont report the persons name? Pay attention next time you see a crime story, it almost always says "Hans R, a German citizen from whatever town, was arrested for this and that" but when its a refugee or foreigner they always say "an unidentified man was arrested for this and that". You will rarely see "Mohammed from Syria was arrested for..."

 

This is bullshit. 

 

While some news sources may shy away from reporting some things, you are making a sweeping generalization about "the German media," as if it is some sort of controlled monolith.  That is absolute nonsense.

 

My experience is that when it is clear that the perpetrator(s) have a migration background, the vast majority of the media outlets in this country report that.  However, unlike media outlets in some other countries, most German media sources refuse to speculate, or go by unverified information.

 

There's plenty of examples of German news media outlets reporting on the citizenship or background of perpetrators when they aren't "native" - the Berlin truck killer, various idiots who've gone on stabbing or shooting sprees, the nutcase who threw a kid in front of a train, etc.

 

 

1 hour ago, Petro6golf said:

 

The German media has an agenda just like most all of the worlds media does. The only way to get the truth is for you to go down there yourself and see whats happening and talk to people and find your own middle ground. 

 

Yeah, no.  This is how "fake news" gets spread.  There have been way too many instances where people who claimed to have been there started rumors that refugees committed crimes, when it was actually a German who did it.

 

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