Dijon France turns into warzone - Chechens vs North Africans

[john g. 37,685]

2 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

PSA for people who want to know why some people look different from some other people.  Here are the words you need to get the information you want without offending anybody!  

 

Do: "Say, I hope I'm not being too forward, but would you mind if I asked what your ethnic background is?"

 

Don't: "Oh my, you are just soooo exotic looking, you remind me of this girl I had a crush on in college, she was Honduran, are you from there?  No?  Where are you from?  No, but where are you really from?" 
Don't: "I have a niece who looks JUST LIKE YOU.  You're mixed, right?"

 

Do accept the first answer they give you.  Don't press for more information than they volunteer.  Please DON'T tell them you know someone who looks JUST LIKE THEM!  Think about it, who wants to hear that?  Would you like to hear that?  I know someone who is of your ethnicity, and I can't tell people of your ethnicity apart, so to me you all look the same!  e.g. YOU LOOK JUST LIKE MY OTHER WHITE FRIEND, DAN!

 

you're welcome

😂

Get your meaning. You know, American youngsters back then when  I was living in the States illegally ( and even got a tax return ie money.. back from the system!) would often say „ hey, man , do you know the Beatles personally?“ and, because John Lennon looked like me, my best retort was „ only John.“💋😂

Looking weird and bearded was cool back then.

I  „ played the card „ and, later, when I was even less cash-ridden, it worked outside a disco in Buenos Aires when I pretended to be John Lennon‘s brother and got in free!

Ok, the first young guy I got chatting to inside was the greatest idiot in the history of the world ( have posted before re him!)  but I got in free.

 

Didn‘t help much when the military grabbed me at rifle point in Paraguay.. but that is another „ long- haired foreigners are dangerous subversive „ story.

Authoritarianism is authoritarianism- watch out people. Left or Right? Just be careful.

 

[alderhill 1,089]

2 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

Please DON'T tell them you know someone who looks JUST LIKE THEM!  Think about it, who wants to hear that?  Would you like to hear that?  I know someone who is of your ethnicity, and I can't tell people of your ethnicity apart, so to me you all look the same!  e.g. YOU LOOK JUST LIKE MY OTHER WHITE FRIEND, DAN!

 

This happened to me in India, like a lot. Especially outside the tourist parts of the better known cities, lots of people have never seen a foreigner (white or otherwise) IRL before. Little kids, teenagers, adults, old people... If you thought Germans stared! Every other day or more, someone would stop me, ask me a bunch of questions, sometimes invite me to a meal or come play with them (the kids), often asking for a photo 'snap', then they'd tell me I look exactly like so-and-so. A couple dozen various Western celebrities -- which I really really don't. I did get compared to one particular Australian cricketer (no idea who) a lot.  

 

Obviously none of this was coming from a nasty place, and of course I really was a foreigner, but it was def a strange experience.

[john g. 37,685]

Yes, alderhill!💋🙏🏻
The problem on this forum? The Americans and the Brit posters are often too focused on THEIR vision of the world and have mostly never been outside their cultural bubble. Wanna bet?

 

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[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

just because we don't insert the stories about our travels outside our bubbles at every possible (and impossible) opportunity, doesn't mean we never left them  

[Guest]

10 hours ago, john g. said:

The problem on this forum? The Americans and the Brit posters are often too focused on THEIR vision of the world and have mostly never been outside their cultural bubble. Wanna bet?

 

You may be the top traveler on this board, but there are a lot of well traveled people hanging around.   Sometimes, i have the impression that there are well traveled people (not you) lecturing others on the board while forgetting that the targets of their impolite and unwelcome lectures may be just as well traveled as they are.    They forget that they are not speaking to people who have not had the same travel opportunities that they have. 

 

And no different than the other threads of TT, there is a general intolerance towards differing viewpoints.   In this case, there isn't one singular correct way to view life in Toronto, Canuckstan, but any deviation from an accepted narrative brings accusations of "troll" from the peanut gallery.   

[J0ker 2,392]

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

 

The Union of Kalmar. Scotland, Ireland. The Ottoman empire and its many malcontent subjects: Greeks, Albanians, Armenians, Arabs. Berbers in North Africa. Various kingdoms playing out on the subcontinent. Imperial China many times, especially along its southern borders. Tibet. The Manchus until they became the Emperor. Russian expansionism into Siberia and Central Asia did not go easily, either, with lots of resistance and rebellions. The Aztec empire was conquered by the Spaniards because of so many discontent non-Aztec subjects (to be fair, Aztec is a cultural/political term more than an ethnic one, but they subjugated may non-Nahuatl speakers too). Slave and indigenous uprisings in European colonial Americas. Haiti. The Maroons in Jamaica and elsewhere.  Endless colonial/imperial wars and rebellions in Africa, South America and in South East Asia. The Roman empire had ethnic rebellions, too. Destruction of the Temple?

 

People understood the concept of "race" in its original sense, what we today call ethnicity. Political agitation for self-ruling homelands was often less common because there were too many less abstract things to worry about, not because it was glowing approval of the status quo.

 

Again you're moving goalposts.  I was talking about France and Austria Hungary while you started talking about China and Turkey.  Funny thing that you mentioned the Ottoman Empire because career was open to talent regardless of ethnicity as long as you would convert to Islam.  In fact quite a few Grand Vizirs were born to Christian peasant families.  As for the Greek and Armenian uprisings a couple of things:

 

1.  They occured after the French revolution and therefore the concept of nationalism was already spread.

2.  What are the roots of those rebellions?  If you look deep they are a result of the native populations' reluctance to convert to Islam which placed them in a position of oppression.  However this is religion and not ethnicity.

 

You also mention the Roman Empire which is a bit too far back if we're talking about revolutionary France and Austria Hungary.  However that conflict was more religious than ethnic.  How many non Italian Roman princeps were there after Octavian?  Hint: Many.  In fact according to Will Durant by the 2nd century A.D. Rome was already an "ethnically Oriental city".  Career was open to talent here regardless of ethnicity.

 

So far you didn't give me a single example of an ethnic uprising within the French or Austrian political nation before nationalism was clearly defined.  The point is that most conflicts were religious or feudal.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

It's a false premise to begin with, because just as nationalism did not quite exist, neither did "multiculturalism", whether "old school" or not. You're applying modern concepts in an ahistorical fashion, to a time when such concepts did not exist.

 

The term multiculturalism didn't exist but the term applied was used to prove my point in distinguishing between a political nation and ethnicity.  However keep bringing up that strawman.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

I'm not a journalist.

 

Did you fail the Buzzfeed IQ test?

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

The Soviets expelled among others and to varying degrees: Chechens, Ingush, Kalmyks, Tatars and a few other Turkic minority populations, Greeks, Germans, Finns and other Balts, Koreans... They 'permanently settled' many of their Siberian indigenous peoples too.

 

The Soviets expelled pretty much anybody not in line with them.  Think of that next time your buddies preach socialism.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

You invoked the USSR as a shining example, not me. Modern Russia has existed only since 1991.

Nope I invoked Russia.  You're trying to derail to argument towards your vague notion of morality which is ironic.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

Tell us how much you have, tovarish.

 

More than you if I am to judge by your I'll informed replies.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

 

 

Maybe you can't, but Russians can and do. I've been to Russia as well.

 

This is utter bullshit.  Now I know you know very little about Russia.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen an ethnic Russian assume his colleague was also the same until finding out years later he's a Tatar.  We're talking about regular Russians not skinheads.  Stop getting all your info from CNN.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

 

It really isn't. In any case, as I said, the question is really about your or (grand)parent's etc. background. No one (except racists) asking the question is inferring that the other person is actually a passport carrying rabid patriot of that country who doesn't view themselves as Canadian.

 

Yes it is.  You are not an immigrant and neither are your parents so you have no idea what goes on in immigrant communities and how they view themselves.  I was an immigrant albeit I came at a small age.  Immigrants as well as their children will talk about their ethnicity.  What a shocker.

 

Btw you're using the "if you ask what's my nationality you is a wacist" tactic.  Funny I never heard that kind of talk from immigrants.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:59:35, alderhill said:

Was Canada even in the Euro 2004? Lemme check again to be sure, my memory is hazy, can't remember if we qualified for the Euro that year... 

 

You're not playing with a full deck.  What is July 1st? And why would you expect to see Canadian flags on that day?  Think Eaglehill think.

 

 

[J0ker 2,392]

On 9/4/2020, 12:33:45, alderhill said:

 

I doubt I'll give him much more attention. He is a moron and a troll, but since he is making blatant falsities about my hometown, I thought I better not let him malign it unfairly lest anyone actually believe him.

 

 

I'm not the one who studied a degree that according to the Business Insider link produces low IQ drunks.  Keep it up with the fake news.

 

On 9/4/2020, 12:33:45, alderhill said:

I just say Canadian usually, even though I know my various ethnic roots going back many generations (8th gen Canadian) and we still have relatives we speak to in one European country. 

 

 

 

And you claim to know all about immigrant communities.  Many immigrants would call you a "caker".  But go on living in your bubble.  You may convince half a dozen idiots.

[J0ker 2,392]

6 hours ago, balticus said:

   In this case, there isn't one singular correct way to view life in Toronto, Canuckstan, but any deviation from an accepted narrative brings accusations of "troll" from the peanut gallery.   

To his defense I think he actually believes what he says.  If there is one thing Toronto immigrants from various backgrounds have in common it's that guys like him are usually the butt of their many jokes.

 

I've seen his type all the time:  a 12th generationer with a name like Jones, Robinson, or Barnes shows up with a smiley face at some "exotic" restaurant praising their delicacies and trying to impress them by mispronouncing please and thank you in their language and then telling them how he understands the struggles they are facing.  And then he thinks he has a deep understanding of that community.

[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

j0ker, man, chill out a bit?  It's not that serious.

[cb6dba 7,317]

Didn't I just nail it when I said Alderhill would wait for a while and get a wall of text?

Even down to the hooks designed to try and start an argument.

It's almost as if there is a group of very similar people posting very similar stuff in a very similar style.

Makes you wonder if they are sharing the same few brain cells and getting offended when people decide to talk to them.. makes you wonder, do they want to talk, not to talk, do they want attention, not ant it? Do they even know what they want, can they vocalize it?

 

Still, it's worth a laugh to watch them doing to slightly bigger version of 'ah, yeah, you, my bike is better and you are a poop head'..

 

[murphaph 9,642]

Lol. There's an awful lot of poor attempts at trolling going on but fewer and fewer bites as people wise up to it.

[cb6dba 7,317]

23 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Lol. There's an awful lot of poor attempts at trolling going on but fewer and fewer bites as people wise up to it.

You just can't find a good troll these days 

On the other hand, we've seen off really good ones, then again, maybe it's all the same person/people... They also seem to be going after people who haven't been around the forum as long..

As we say people, don't feed the trolls but if you decide to, make them choke and give the rest of us a laugh..

[murphaph 9,642]

Lol. I do like having a chuckle at "their" expense alright.

[Metall 14,513]

57 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Lol. There's an awful lot of poor attempts at trolling going on but fewer and fewer bites as people wise up to it.

 

Yep. It's nice to watch them wither away from not being fed!

[cb6dba 7,317]

18 hours ago, Metall said:

 

Yep. It's nice to watch them wither away from not being fed!

Yep, shouting 'me, me, me, look at me' while slowly fading away...