Dijon France turns into warzone - Chechens vs North Africans

[J0ker 2,392]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=igEAPV_tQ6Q

 

This is from from June but why am I not surprised that this was not covered by more media outlets?  Or is this just business as usual in the French banlieus?

[john g. 37,685]

Be fair, JOker! Those thugs were at least sticking to social distancing in these Covid times. Gotta grant them that!

[J0ker 2,392]

And they were wearing masks.

[john g. 37,685]

Perhaps they could have some fisticuffs with these morons in Malmo. https://youtu.be/JplPDGBmwo4

 

 

[J0ker 2,392]

What happened in Dijon was a 16 year old Chechen boy was allegedly assaulted by drug dealers presumably of North African origin.  The French police as usual reacted weakly most likely for fear of being called racist and then the Chechens took matters into their own hands.

 

And they wonder why Eastern Europeans don't want open borders...

[AlexTr 19,719]

French city of Dijon turned into a war zone as heavily armed Chechen gangs fire weapons into the air

 

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New tensions on Monday flared in France’s eastern city of Dijon after it was rocked by a weekend of unrest blamed on Chechens seeking vengeance for an assault on a teenager.

Police sources said the unrest was sparked by an attack on a 16-year-old member of the Chechen community on June 10.

Members of the Chechen diaspora then set out on so-called punishment raids seeking to avenge the assault, they said.

After three successive nights of violence, early Monday evening some 150 people, some hooded and armed, again assembled in Dijon, setting rubbish bins and a car on fire.

Some also shot into the air, footage posted to social media shows.

“What happened is unprecedented and unacceptable,” the city’s mayor, Francois Rebsamen, told AFP.

Attacks had already taken place on three successive nights starting Friday, with many people wielding baseball bats.

The local prefect Bernard Schmeltz – the top state official in the region – said in a statement that the violence “appeared to be part of a settling of scores between members of the Chechen community in France and residents” of Dijon.

 

[HEM 11,070]

is this not what is called "multi-culti"?  Its here to stay!

[MikeMelga 7,248]

22 minutes ago, HEM said:

is this not what is called "multi-culti"?  Its here to stay!

Nah, no problem with multi culti, the problem are those religions who profess "peace".

[AlexTr 19,719]

Like white Christians? 

[Guest]

20 hours ago, J0ker said:

What happened in Dijon was a 16 year old Chechen boy was allegedly assaulted by drug dealers presumably of North African origin.  The French police as usual reacted weakly most likely for fear of being called racist and then the Chechens took matters into their own hands.

 

And they wonder why Eastern Europeans don't want open borders...

 

Sounds mostly peaceful.   

 

Messing around with Chechens seems like a promising way to get a Darwin Award nomination.  

[J0ker 2,392]

The ignorance of certain MuRRRicans on this forum is astonishing.  Chechens aren't white Christians; they are white Muslims.  Nonetheless they are white and causing unrest so I hope certain people on here enjoy it.

 

21 hours ago, HEM said:

is this not what is called "multi-culti"?  Its here to stay!

A multicultural society is a lot more difficult to maintain than a homogeneous one.  Simply put different cultures have different values and often contradictory.

 

The old school multiculturalism, for example what you saw in pre revolutionary France, Austria Hungary etc, was natural and worked well until the concept of ethnostates took over. A good modern day example would be Russia which is naturally multicultural as the landmass has 200 ethnicities that are native to the land but almost all of them consider themselves Russian even though they are ethnically distinct from ethnic/Slavic Russians.  I.e. Putin is both ethnically Russian and belongs to the Russian political nation while Iryna Shayk would answer yes if you asked if she was Russian but she's ethnically a Tatar and also speaks the language.

 

Artificially induced multiculturalism (i.e. what we have in America and Western Europe) is turning out very badly.  It flunked royally in Yugoslavia and is failing with flying colours in America.  The problem is that if you have essentially open borders the immigration level gets too high and the immigrants don't have time to integrate.  The Greater Toronto Area takes in almost 100,000 immigrants yearly and the result is that most people stick to their own ethnic communities.  If you ask a Torontonian "What's your nationality?" He'll likely say Polish, Italian, Chinese, Indian before Canadian.

 

21 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

Nah, no problem with multi culti, the problem are those religions who profess "peace".

I have been the one to criticize political Islamism quite a bit but it's important to distinguish between Islamic violence and violence caused by perpetrators who simply happen to be Muslim.

 

The Chechens, although Muslim, are more driven by ethnic pride than Islam.  They are an extremely tough and resilient people and have somewhat of a warrior culture.  In fact they converted to Islam (a process that took centuries) because it was seen as resisting Russia.

 

When that boy was beaten by drug dealers the Chechens saw it as insult and upon realizing how impotent the French police were they decided to administer their own brand of justice.

 

2 hours ago, balticus said:

 

Sounds mostly peaceful.   

 

Messing around with Chechens seems like a promising way to get a Darwin Award nomination.  

LOL.  When it comes to brawls and street fights I would say Chechens are the toughest.  I still remember two forum members on here who were complaining about the treatment of homosexuals in Chechnya and that "we should do something about it".  I was laughing for days at their ignorance;  if you were a Chechen tough guy would you be intimidated by some dude from the Internet who panics at the thought of assembling an IKEA night table? 

[AlexTr 19,719]

While some statements stand alone (like my last one). One has to wonder how one simultaneously has the Chechens as the good guys AND the bad guys.

[El Jeffo 42,120]

17 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

While some statements stand alone (like my last one). One has to wonder how one simultaneously has the Chechens as the good guys AND the bad guys.

 

Another derivative of Schrödinger's douchebag, one would presume.

[cb6dba 7,318]

It's strange, but i've never had any problems with anyone from different cultures unless they were adamant multiculturalism wouldn't work or they wanted to 'protect' their own culture.

The they start down the 'but this way is best' or 'this thing we do that isn't allowed here' route.

To me we have laws, as long as people obey them and they are enforced, there shouldn't be a problem.

Yes, our laws are based on the local culture throughout the ages but they are quite mild compared to some places.

 

As long as people obey the law I really don't care what skin colour they have, if they don't eat port, steak or just eat fruit. 

I'm even ok if they don't drink alcohol, as long as they don't stop me doing ot or complain when I do (unless I am being a pain because I am drunk).

Then again, this is how I also think of anyone who doesn't drink but i'm also for fining people who break the law when they are drunk.

In regards to the incident in question, I'd be more annoyed at the apparent lack of law enforcement (and in general around drug crimes) rather than the rumble.

 

 

 

[jeba 4,347]

16 minutes ago, cb6dba said:

It's strange, but i've never had any problems with anyone from different cultures unless they were adamant multiculturalism wouldn't work or they wanted to 'protect' their own culture.

That´s incorrect. There were e. g. clashes between Turkish and Kurdish people already in the 70ies.

 

17 minutes ago, cb6dba said:

To me we have laws, as long as people obey them and they are enforced, there shouldn't be a problem.

There are problems below the level of violation of the law. E.  g. when a Turkish teenager tells another teenager not to date his sister or when you´re complaining that you´re drinking alcohol (to use your own example) or when a woman is refused a handshake etc..

[J0ker 2,392]

One has to wonder about their school system when a couple of MuRRRicans see everything as an "epic battle between the good guys and bad guys".  In reality what these two don't understand is that the world including Chechenya and their history is a lot more complicated for your average MuRRRican TT-er to understand.

[MikeMelga 7,248]

1 hour ago, J0ker said:

I have been the one to criticize political Islamism quite a bit but it's important to distinguish between Islamic violence and violence caused by perpetrators who simply happen to be Muslim.

Sure, it was not motivated by religion, but Islam is clearly a religion of violence since its foundation, although they say the exact opposite.

It was a religion founded on the basis of war. Which is great if we are fighting an alien invasion force, but quite bad when we are trying to build a peaceful world.

 

Christianity was not founded on the basis of violence. Later it became violent and then we kept them under control with enlightenment.

On the contrary, Islam was founded on the basis of violence and it is still waiting for its enlightenment, so it is not under control.

Bottom line: religions are tools to control the mob, but they must be kept under control.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, J0ker said:

One has to wonder about their school system when a couple of MuRRRicans see everything as an "epic battle between the good guys and bad guys".  In reality what these two don't understand is that the world including Chechenya and their history is a lot more complicated for your average MuRRRican TT-er to understand.

 

 

[Krieg 14,926]

Jokey and Balty came back together from their holidays, I didn't know you were a couple, congrats.

[cb6dba 7,318]

1 hour ago, cb6dba said:

It's strange, but i've never had any problems with anyone from different cultures unless they were adamant multiculturalism wouldn't work or they wanted to 'protect' their own culture.

 

1 hour ago, cb6dba said:

To me we have laws, as long as people obey them and they are enforced, there shouldn't be a problem.

 

43 minutes ago, jeba said:

That´s incorrect. There were e. g. clashes between Turkish and Kurdish people already in the 70ies.

 

There are problems below the level of violation of the law. E.  g. when a Turkish teenager tells another teenager not to date his sister or when you´re complaining that you´re drinking alcohol (to use your own example) or when a woman is refused a handshake etc..

I wasn't anywhere near or around those clashes, so I didn't have any problems with the people involved.

My statement about myself is in no way made incorrect by said clashes.

As far as I know my name is not Truman and my life is not televised in any way so you'll have to takemy word for it I guess.

Maybe it is and you have let the cat out of the bag... Jeba 'ruined it all' they'll say...

I've seen all the examples you mentioned in the past with people from my culture (for want of a better word) between themselves.

Not against the law and it certainly doesn't make me worry about having people from other cultures around me. It does make me ask why a woman in a headscarf not wanting to shake my hand is such an issue when a white woman not wanting a handshake wouldn't really be commented on beyond it being unusual.

In the past a friend mentioned that he thought it wasn't right that a refugee woman had refused to be seen by a male doctor, even though he himself had requested a male doctor when he was having problems with his water works etc. I'm not sure what logic gates that went through that made him think it was different when he wanted to express a choice. 

 

I'm not saying there won't be issues where people mix etc, but most of the stuff that isn't illegal isn't going to be a huge issue. There are issues with legality etc that may need to be tackled but then the question is, is that something that is happening a lot and how to tackle it.