Covid-19 Poll (UPDATE 9 Aug 2020: new poll questions)

[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

@fraufruit it was the jokey option, often found at the end of polls, before Keleth's suggestion was added to the end.  I tried to keep Roboter mit Senf at the end, but moving the questions doesn't move the votes, so I had to move them all back!

 

Roboter mit Senf was just the most random thing in the world that I could think of.  The still in the OP is from this video:
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvcpy4WjZMs

 

[fraufruit 42,496]

OK. Thanks. 

 

I like the video!

[keith2011 2,678]

55 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

What is the point of #7 for which 2 people have already voted ?

 

Maybe I'm missing something.

Yes, point #7 is now also missing!

[fraufruit 42,496]

I still see it.

[keith2011 2,678]

1 hour ago, fraufruit said:

I still see it.

 

Me too again, must be going blind.

[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

The results so far are interesting.  So far covid-deniers don't seem to be responding at all.  Maybe I put them off with #5 (scnr).  Or maybe they are so distrustful of everything and everyone they won't even weigh in here?  I feel like there are a number of our regular users who have chosen not to participate, so we're not really getting a realistic read of overall opinion.  Probably my fault, I should have worded the questions differently?  Of course, I'd be happy to think that the overwhelming majority of people have respect for the situation but sometimes it really does feel like it's probably more like half and half, especially when I'm out and about.

[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

orrrr, and this seems more likely to be the case, covid skeptics are overall less likely to participate in opinion polls in general and/or my poll in particular.

 

So I fear our results are still not really reliable.

[keith2011 2,678]

29 minutes ago, dessa_dangerous said:

orrrr, and this seems more likely to be the case, covid skeptics are overall less likely to participate in opinion polls in general and/or my poll in particular.

 

So I fear our results are still not really reliable.

 

Yes they just love to believe they are the silent majority!

[DaringD 114]

I'm amazed at how many people I know (including my wife) have such illogical and badly thought out views on this topic. 

 

While Germany has done really well so far we could be doing A LOT better. I'm sick of seeing noses poking over masks, in Aldi last weekend I got into an argument with a worker there because he was putting out fruit and veg with his nose sticking out.  He argued his glasses steam up if he puts it over his nose and my thought is - then you aren't fit to work. Simple. There is no argument in these situations, no nuance, you are either following the rules or you are not. 

 

I think people who refuse to wear masks are at best massively ignorant and at worst willfully ignorant and incredibly selfish. 

 

I also don't find it comforting that the police are really going to "crack down" on mask wearing.  That basically means they haven't been properly enforcing it up to this point. 

 

I also cannot abide the decision to allow people to holiday and move around without testing (now it's being implemented but it should have been obvious to all to do this from the start). 

 

I think that those who go against the rules are in large people who have an axe to grind with authority and this is the hill they have picked to die on. I believe very few of them truly believe the utter tripe they espouse. 

 

I would chose to ignore them completely but they are out there pushing these ideas onto others. 

 

This has exposed to me just how many people in the world are spoiled brats, with no sense of common good and no sense of duty. 

 

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[El Jeffo 42,135]

1 hour ago, dessa_dangerous said:

orrrr, and this seems more likely to be the case, covid skeptics are overall less likely to participate in opinion polls in general and/or my poll in particular.

 

So I fear our results are still not really reliable.

They know anonymous polls aren't really anonymous and that you will be reporting all of them to their local antifa offices for reeducation and generous anal probing.

 

Nice try, though.

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22 hours ago, DaringD said:

I'm amazed at how many people I know (including my wife) have such illogical and badly thought out views on this topic. 

 

. Sounds like trouble in paradise.   

 

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There is no argument in these situations, no nuance, you are either following the rules or you are not. 

 

Questioning political decisions seems healthy.   Why would you oppose that?

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I think people who refuse to wear masks are at best massively ignorant and at worst willfully ignorant and incredibly selfish. 

 

As i wrote on another thread, over the past three weeks, i have been in 4 European capitols + Berlin.   In Helsinki, Riga, and Estonia, nobody is wearing masks and social distancing is non-existent.   In Warsaw, there are people wearing masks, but not as strictly as in Berlin.   

 

If you have surveyed the literature, there are many serious health experts which view masks as relatively worthless.   Countries like Denmark and the Netherlands have refused to make them mandatory because the lack of evidence for their efficacy.   

 

 

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I think that those who go against the rules are in large people who have an axe to grind with authority and this is the hill they have picked to die on. I believe very few of them truly believe the utter tripe they espouse. 

Maybe they simply have doubts that the authorities know what they are doing.    

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I would chose to ignore them completely but they are out there pushing these ideas onto others. 

You should use scientifically established results and make arguments.   You might find that making the arguments and searching for evidence changes your opinion.   

 

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This has exposed to me just how many people in the world are spoiled brats, with no sense of common good and no sense of duty. 

 

It surprises me how quickly people cling to a mob mentality when faced with situations with massive uncertainty.    There are a lot of people on TT which are hysterical about everything:   COVID, Climate Change, Brexit, Trump, Erdogan, Refugees, the right wing, fake news, etc, etc, ad nauseum.  

 

By the way, this is the current state of the pandemic in Germany.   You can come out from under your bunker and try to make the adjustment to normalization.

 

 

[AlexTr 19,754]

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23 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

The results so far are interesting.  So far covid-deniers don't seem to be responding at all. 

Who are these COVID deniers?   Is there anyone on this site who denies that COVID exists or poses a risk to segments of the population?

23 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

Maybe I put them off with #5 (scnr). 

Perhaps you should have simplified your options, e.g. 100%, 80%, 60%, etc without attributing negative qualities the options you don't agree with.    Just for kicks, label the 100% group (most of TT) as "COVID hystericals".

23 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

Or maybe they are so distrustful of everything and everyone they won't even weigh in here? 

 

Or perhaps none of the options respectfully represent the diversity of opinion on the issue.  

 

23 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

Probably my fault, I should have worded the questions differently? 

Bullseye.

23 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

 

Of course, I'd be happy to think that the overwhelming majority of people have respect for the situation but sometimes it really does feel like it's probably more like half and half, especially when I'm out and about.

 

Everyone has respect for the situation, but there is disagreement on the degree of risk.   

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

 

Corona deaths are 1.3%?    1.3% of what.   Please do put some substance around that and some evidence.  

 

Germany has 9261 deaths in a population of 83,812,720

 

9261/83812720 == 0.01104%

 

The reason there are so many Covid-Hysterics is because of this type of fear mongering.

 

In your case, i am open to the idea that it is a math deficiency rather than outright dishonesty.  

[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

I disagree that everyone has respect for the situation.  Like these idiots here (yes, I'm calling them idiots) "Tag der Freiheit"

 

They are so far down the rabbit hole they are willing to believe any- and everything apart from, "covid is a dangerous virus."  They have dreamt up multitudes, their fantasy knows no boundaries.  They believe that falling ill is a state of mind, fresh air and sunshine literally cure diseases and that vaccinations make you sick; in one breath they tell you covid doesn't exist at all, no one has ever gotten ill from it ever, and in the next breath they say that it was invented to kill off dissidents, etc etc til the end of time, or your personal limit of patience.

 

I specifically asked for suggestions about better questions but so far very few usable constructive ideas have been forthcoming.  It's clear I don't agree with covid-deniers stances and the less-hysterical among them choose to stay quiet.  All I really have to go by regarding their opinions are the batshit demonstrators and the few people in my social media who are vocal about their skepticism. 

 

And yes, we know for a fact that TT has readers who are solid covid-deniers and they are also keeping quiet for whatever reason.

[dessa_dangerous 13,315]

@balticus OK, I've changed number four, since nobody had voted for the original option anyway.

 

Your troll post bringing up ancient history and removed posts has been removed.

 

Not today either, Satan. ;) 

[bramble 9,643]

2 hours ago, balticus said:

If you have surveyed the literature, there are many serious health experts which view masks as relatively worthless.   Countries like Denmark and the Netherlands have refused to make them mandatory because the lack of evidence for their efficacy.   

 

This isn't true. In the Netherlands wearing masks is indeed mandatory when travelling on public transport, but not always in shops:  https://www.nach-holland.de/corona-virus
 

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In the Netherlands, masks are compulsory on all public transport, i.e. trains, buses, trams, metros and ferries.
There is no general obligation to wear a mask in shops, but some shops now recommend that you wear a mask. In the indoor market and Outlet De Bever in Beverwijk, the particularly busy parts of the market may no longer be entered without a mask. From 5 August, a mask is also compulsory in the shopping areas and at the markets in Amsterdam and Rotterdam.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bramble said:

 

This isn't true. In the Netherlands wearing masks is indeed mandatory when travelling on public transport, but not always in shops:  https://www.nach-holland.de/corona-virus
 

 

In Finland, Denmark, Estonia, and Latvia there is no mask mandate.   Look at their case loads on worldometers.info .

 

 

 

[Rushrush 301]

On 8/6/2020, 3:17:29, dessa_dangerous said:

Since "to mask or not to mask" seems to be the question dividing friends, family members and colleagues,

 

 

Discussed before but Sweden has pretty much beaten covid, no more deaths much few cases. Read this first

 

How Bad is covid really (A Swedish doctor's perspective)

 

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Then, after a few months, all the covid patients disappeared. It is now four months since the start of the pandemic, and I haven’t seen a single covid patient in over a month.

 

My comment

 

Thinking about it I would say those two very specific reasons. The first one is that the Swedish are very aloof most of them live alone and it’s a large spacious country. If you remember have time for living in Spain is that the Spanish like the Italians live their life outside and in large groups extended family get-togethers et cetera. New York City of course as for the under insured horrible healthcare and a lot of poor people living in crowded conditions and poor quality housing.

 

Other comments

 

I think that Ireland is a better comparison to Sweden because of its population density. Here is a quote about it,

‘Sweden had 2,763 infections per million, and 343 deaths per million as of 12th May 2020. These statistics are quite similar to my own country, the Republic of Ireland, with a much higher 4,739 infections per million and a similar 303 deaths per million, also as of 12th May; yet Ireland has been in full lockdown for some seven weeks at this point.’

 

-and-

 

There are some genetic factors, so that could be part of it. Also Italy has a lot of older people, which would push up their numbers, but they also seem to have treated older people more intensely, including treating them in ICUs. From things I have read elsewhere, few of Sweden's elderly were sent to ICUs--they either recovered or died, but were not allowed to fill up all the beds.

 

-and-

 

I actually think that Sweden was pretty hardly hit, especially Stockholm and in particular in comparison with its Nordic neighbours. It was also extremely unevenly distributed: low-income areas, with large groups of immigrants were hit much harder, and there are many different reasons for that: living several generations together being among them, taxi and bus drivers were the professions with most people ill.

But it is also true that the communication from the government has been very consistent, and at least the first months not politicised, stressing the need for a long term strategy, sustainable in the long run.

Northern Sweden is of course not very densely populated, but there have been outbreaks near mines. At the same time, Southern Sweden, bordering Denmark with the the third biggest city and many immigrants has until now been relatively spared.

The extent to which the virus has spread before any measures are taken seem to be the determining factor.

 

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1 hour ago, dessa_dangerous said:

@balticus OK, I've changed number four, since nobody had voted for the original option anyway.

 

Equally disingenuous but it is my fault because I haven't made constructive suggestions.  😂

1 hour ago, dessa_dangerous said:

Your troll post bringing up ancient history and removed posts has been removed.

 

Which forum rule was violated by my post?  😉

 

Who are these COVID deniers?