Riots in Stuttgart

[yourkeau 7,723]

On 6/22/2020, 12:48:39, White Rose of Yorkshire said:

Please do not put the Parkschützers and the rioters in the same category. There is absolutely no excuse for the riot in Stuttgart yesterday or the attack on the police  officers.

 

FYI: The parkschützers were atttacked by a police force from Bavaria. German police never deploy the local police force for such things as they may have to deal with their neighbour or their child‘s teacher. If you don‘t know the people you are dealing with you act differently.

 

 

White Rose of Yorkshire, just because I understand why this is happening doesn't mean I support it.

 

I provided simple explanation why this is happening. It does not matter where were the policemen from: the authority to deploy police from other state lies solely lies in state police management only. They are responsible for what happened. And they did not apologize.

 

The same as in the US with looting: you lose respect of the community, you cannot control crime anymore.

[catjones 1,702]

4 hours ago, GerardB said:

There may well be some prejudice against Turks, Arabs and Africans in Germany

ya think?

[GerardB 43]

1 hour ago, catjones said:

ya think?

 It works both ways, I'm sure.

[arsenal21 401]

9 hours ago, DoubleDTown said:

 

It's social science.   The same type of methodology used to gather data and make informed decisions about all sorts of things.  Sometimes ethnicity is a valid and useful data point.  Just ask France where they aren't collecting ethnic-associated medical data how useful it is to be blind to ethnicity.

 

Wikipedia:  Social science is the branch of science devoted to the study of societies and the relationships among individuals within those societies.

The term was formerly used to refer to the field of sociology, the original "science of society", established in the 19th century. In addition to sociology, it now encompasses a wide array of academic disciplines, including anthropology, archaeology, economics, human geography, linguistics, management science, media studies, musicology, political science, psychology, welfare and nursing studies^[1] and social history.

 

Looking at youtube videos and saying "Lots of rioters don't look like ethnic Germans" doesn't seem like a very scientific methodology.

[john g. 37,776]

On 6/22/2020, 3:06:19, RajeshG said:

Why destroy shops and business. What have they got to do with the protests? I can understand to a degree this kind of frustration in USA, where there could be extreme poverty and lack of resources.

But in Germany no body is poor, really poor to warrant breaking into Euro shop to loot. And if someone challenges this statement, then he/she/they have not seen poverty real close.

This is complete break down of law and order - yes it might sound Nixonite. But what else one can call it?

Also if people cannot deal with unarmed police, this would lead to their militarisation and like in America we would get an armour suited cop for the smallest misdemeanour instead of a friendly bobby  

 

Good evening, RajeshG! I know which country you are from and I know you understand what real poverty is. Yes, as you say, they have not seen poverty real close. Maybe on holiday whilst tipping the taxi driver or going into a fashion shop to buy the latest must-have suit at a cheaper price than back home.

And then I think of some societies where you either have a maid, a cook, someone to iron your clothes -  or you are one.

The thugs in Stuttgart - in those cases where they were from overseas ie not German- what are their backgrounds? Mum and Dad at home have a maid? Some local poor young girl to exploit, for example? Wouldn‘t surprise me.

[john g. 37,776]

10 hours ago, warsteiner70 said:

The background to the people who were rioting doesn't really matter. The reason people behave like this is that some people behave the way they are allowed to behave. They know that they have a slim chance of getting caught and, even if they are arrested, they will be let off with a small fine/warning. This is the same with football hooligans, left wing extremists at the G7 Summit in Hamburg, pickpockets outside most main train stations, etc., etc.

 

If Germany wants to put a stop to this then they need to clamp down hard on these people. Identify them, arrest them and punish them with at least a few months in jail in the same way the authorities did in the UK during the London riots in 2011. That was pretty much the same thing with a lot of young, disadvantaged youths thinking they could play the numbers game and get mixed up in large rioting crowds, steal from shops and, as it was their first offence, nothing would happen to them if they were caught. The UK courts were told to ignore sentencing guidelines and hand out harsh sentences to the offenders, which they did and they were backed up by the UK government. The same thing needs to happen here.

I remember some cases of youngsters in the London riots  who had plundered stores and said they had paid taxes and were only getting back what they were owed!

 

[john g. 37,776]

6 hours ago, catjones said:

ya think?

 

Of course, there is prejudice against Turks and Arabs in Germany. People are people.

And it DOES work both ways.

My partner Nicole‘s son, who is German, grew up in a part of Hamburg with plenty of Turks and Russians. His friends are mostly „ Turks „ and „ Russians „ ie mostly German- born - though not all.

His girlfriend is „ Russian „ and is expecting their baby next month.

 

Maurice was at the S-Bahn platform in Harburg a few years ago and complained that a „ Turk „ was abusing a young woman. What happened? The „ Turk „ got onto his Handy. Maurice understood what was going on and did a runner.

By the time he had got to the top of the S-Bahn stairs a crowd of „ Turks „ ( ie youngsters ) had been informed and were on the lookout for Maurice. Dozens of them.

Luckily, a police car turned up ( unrelated incident ). So Maurice got away safely.

People are really dumb if they think only Germans are racist/ xenophobic. People everywhere can be pretty dumb.

[gaberlunzi 814]

1 hour ago, john g. said:

People everywhere can be pretty dumb.

They not only can, they ARE! Where were the complainers when Merkel opened the borders indiscriminantely and let all the scam in? It took no Einstein to see the results of her policy. Of course, it does not help when you are an occupied country and when the ruling classes(deep state)there, say something to be done. Kind of a scizzo situation for the Kraut government when they don't realize who the new masters are. Again,no special knowledge neccessary to see what melody is being played.

[katheliz 17,879]

Off topic.

No, @gaberlunzi, it was the US who took the scam/scum in when Trump was elected.
Back on topic.

[jeba 4,364]

5 hours ago, gaberlunzi said:

Again,no special knowledge neccessary to see what melody is being played.

No, it´s enough to be infatuated with conspiracy theories.

[slammer 889]

7 hours ago, john g. said:

 

Of course, there is prejudice against Turks and Arabs in Germany. People are people.

And it DOES work both ways.

My partner Nicole‘s son, who is German, grew up in a part of Hamburg with plenty of Turks and Russians. His friends are mostly „ Turks „ and „ Russians „ ie mostly German- born - though not all.

His girlfriend is „ Russian „ and is expecting their baby next month.

 

Maurice was at the S-Bahn platform in Harburg a few years ago and complained that a „ Turk „ was abusing a young woman. What happened? The „ Turk „ got onto his Handy. Maurice understood what was going on and did a runner.

By the time he had got to the top of the S-Bahn stairs a crowd of „ Turks „ ( ie youngsters ) had been informed and were on the lookout for Maurice. Dozens of them.

Luckily, a police car turned up ( unrelated incident ). So Maurice got away safely.

People are really dumb if they think only Germans are racist/ xenophobic. People everywhere can be pretty dumb.

Best way to think of them is pack dogs, loyal only to the alpha, in this case the one with the flashiest car, the beautiful woman and most money.

[LeonG 14,850]

On 6/22/2020, 11:32:46, bramble said:

Yes, but not every asylum seeker gets a Duldung. It's all a complicated process and at the time the BAMF was overloaded with sorting out who was eligible as asylum seekers and who was not. It was chaos. After a while the German government was even offering refugees from Irak, Iran etc. money to go back from where they came from. Many disillusioned Syrians were going back to Syria of their own free will. Many were sent back to the country of where they first entered the EU (usually Greece). Many didn't stay in Germany and left for Denmark, Sweden, Norway after registration, which was illegal. Many were scamming the system.

 

The people the ABH wants to deport but can't, for example because they've lost or hid their passports and their identity is not clear, get a duldung.  It's only in the last few years that they started to allow them to work.  Earlier, they were not allowed to work, study or even travel too far from their assigned city.  Now they may travel but if they want to move, they have to apply to change their assigned city.  I know one case where the guy was given a work permit in another city 170km away but they didn't change his assigned city.  When he asked to change it so he could move, they said first the city where he has the job has to accept him, the city where the job was said that they can't change it, the city he's assigned to has to change it.  It was a bit of back and forth but eventually went through.

 

Sure some people are scamming the system but they don't think of it that way.  For them, coming as an asylum seeker is the poor mans method to immigrate.  Where they come from, each family has at least one person in Europe sending money home.  It's driving their economy.  They don't have the skills or education to get work permits here so they will ask for asylum, they will get a work permit if it's offered, otherwise they will find work without one.  They move between European countries freely if they hear of a job or better conditions somewhere or if they country they are currently in looks like getting close to deporting them.  They will definitely hide their passports if it stops them getting deported.

 

About a year ago, Germany made a deal with Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq to take their asylum seekers back, even without passports or a clear identity.  People started disappearing fast.  I knew one Pakistani who wasn't home at his assigned address when they came for him.  He was tipped off about it and made it to Spain.  He was on duldung and had a work permit here.

 

[AlexTr 19,754]

Well, I see this thread devolved into the illegal smear of entire ethnicities that we knew it would. 

[El Jeffo 42,135]

13 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

Well, I see this thread devolved into the illegal smear of entire ethnicities that we knew it would. 

Would you expect anything else when the first post is a video from an AfD promotion channel? It was the intention from the start. 

[AlexTr 19,754]

@El Jeffo No, it was doomed from the start as it is a fallacy predicated on a lie supported by nonsense. 

[Keleth 9,321]

On 6/22/2020, 2:32:31, snowingagain said:

Because they were stupid, drunk and bored.

This,1000 times this.

It has nothing to do with protesting against anything,or being opressed,it`s just a mixture of booze and being able to do it mixed with a bit of boredom and a "I can do what I want attitude".

 

Also you notice a big difference between policing methods between here and in the US.In the US at the first sign of trouble the police seem to wade in batons flailing etc.Here it seems to be more about keeping the trouble contained in 1 area.

[Rushrush 301]

On 6/22/2020, 6:17:27, balticus said:

 

Where were riots, attacks on police officers, burning of grocery stores and pharmacies justified and who would be justified in doing such things?

 

The people who joined the mob or watched the events of the past two weeks with a certain degree of Schadenfreude may be disappointed when the mob turns on them.  

 

This does not end well.  

That is pretty much what happened in Seatle where the authorities not only turned a blind eye to Antifa but in some cases activily encouraged them. Now the athorities have got a massive cluster fuck on their hands with that atonomous zone. 

[Wherearewegoingto 534]

The people that were allowed in are not scum. Its was a humanitarian thing and at that stage the right thing to do.  Noone ever said integration is an easy path to walk. Takes good will from both sides.

[RenegadeFurther 2,394]

3 minutes ago, Wherearewegoingto said:

The people that were allowed in are not scum. Its was a humanitarian thing and at that stage the right thing to do. 

 

You mean suspending the Dublin Agreement without any backup plan?

[The Vindictive 85]

1 hour ago, El Jeffo said:

Would you expect anything else when the first post is a video from an AfD promotion channel? It was the intention from the start. 

 

The discussions on the thread started off fairly well then they veered off for the worse.

 

Fact: There was a large proportion of ethnic Germans arrested.

This thread: "Somehow only the foreigners are responsible for the riots or that many of the ethnic German perpetrators are not real Germans."

 

This thread: "Merkel policy of 2015 is the cause of this mess."

Fact: No one can prove for a fact the number of the Stuttgart riot perpetrators who came to the country in the wave of 2015, if any.

 

Maybe we should desist from political discussions on Toytown. Otherwise its getting closer to Daily Mail each day.