Black BAME and POC supporters of Trump

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6 hours ago, Krieg said:

It seems they found the virus in water collected in March 2019 in Barcelona.

your comment is misleading.

" it’s suggestive,” Villalbi said. "

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On 14/07/2020, 21:08:24, J0ker said:

As for movies it's telling that the genius from Good Will Hunting refered to Zinn's People History of the USA as a "real history book".  I can name you at least a dozen falsities and select quotations off the top of my head from that piece of garbage.

 

Good Will Hunting or Zinn's book?   ;)

 

I wonder how many of the people in the crowds which pulled down statues of Abolitionists were History or Sociology majors suffering from crippling student debt while demonstrating that they did not learn anything.  

 

 

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On 14/07/2020, 06:46:43, Keleth said:

 

I`ll ask again.Would people have been aware of BLM en masse like they are if Kaepernick had not knelt ?

Yes - people knew about BLM during the Ferguson protests two years before Kaepernick started kneeling at games.   The Fergusion protests were not as big as the George Floyd protests, but significant.   Surprised you did not know about them. 

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I find it shocking that Nascar allows him to prominently show his support for Ethanol.  

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Why ?

If it doesn`t affect the game as such then where is the problem ?

And when someone starts kneeling to protest about abortion, animal rights, or nature preservation?    

 

The NBA will allow protest themes on their jerseys, but nothing about Hong Kong or Xinjiang.   

 

The fans are the customers and you need to keep them happy.     I have little time to watch sports, but when i do, i want to see the people 100% focused on their game.   

 

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You keep saying people shouldn`t comment on stuff unless they`ve lived there,experienced it or whatever

No I don't.    The reason i ask you to quote me directly is that you make stuff up.   

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Should people wear masks ?

Depends on the circumstances.   

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That is on topic.You defend Steve Bannon as not being a racist ergo you are a racist sympathiser so you have no problem with defending how people address other races.

False premise and non-sequitur.  You don't actually believe your own argument, do you?   :lol:

 

I don't think Steve Bannon is racist, but you might want to quote me before casually accusing me of racism by association.   Calling someone racist is pretty serious and you wouldn't want to make the term meaningless but pulling it when you are getting your a$$ kicked in an argument.  

 

This is a problem with Cancel culture.   Like many people who have seen high levels of power, Steve Bannon has some viewpoints that are worth hearing.   Like most people, he probably has some viewpoints worth refuting.   

 

If you believe he is racist, is the Oxford Union racist for giving him a platform?  

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, balticus said:

I find it shocking that Nascar allows him to prominently show his support for Ethanol.  

So no comment on the fact  Nascar just had record figures after years of them declining despite them allowing a car to have BLM on it.

But I thought getting political would hurt sports ?

2 hours ago, balticus said:

Yes - people knew about BLM during the Ferguson protests two years before Kaepernick started kneeling at games.   The Fergusion protests were not as big as the George Floyd protests, but significant.   Surprised you did not know about them. 

Why do you think I used en masse in what you quoted ?

2 hours ago, balticus said:

 

The NBA will allow protest themes on their jerseys, but nothing about Hong Kong or Xinjiang.   

Wait now you`re confusing me.You say no political protest then come up with this one.

So is it a good or bad thing they don`t allow anything about HK or Xinjiang ?

2 hours ago, balticus said:

No I don't.    The reason i ask you to quote me directly is that you make stuff up.   

I`m not trawling through threads to find all examples of it but you do it a lot when someone disagrees with you.

2 hours ago, balticus said:

False premise and non-sequitur.  You don't actually believe your own argument, do you?   :lol:

 

I don't think Steve Bannon is racist, but you might want to quote me before casually accusing me of racism by association. 

Steve Bannon is racist.

Let me guess you probably think that just because somebody who associates with racists,employs them,promotes them,publishes their articles and video,speaks to them at rallies is not a racist and hasn`t a racist bone in their body ?

2 hours ago, balticus said:

Steve Bannon has some viewpoints that are worth hearing

So did Pol Pot and various others ?

Your point ?

2 hours ago, balticus said:

If you believe he is racist, is the Oxford Union racist for giving him a platform?

The same Oxford Union that has had various far left,far right and centrist and comedians,sport stars etc ?

That`s pretty much free speech which many people believe in but don`t believe in having to accept the consequences of your free speech.

2 hours ago, balticus said:

Depends on the circumstances. 

Ok.Should people wear masks indoors when around other people as in shopping etc ?

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4 hours ago, balticus said:

 

Good Will Hunting or Zinn's book?   ;)

 

I wonder how many of the people in the crowds which pulled down statues of Abolitionists were History or Sociology majors suffering from crippling student debt while demonstrating that they did not learn anything.  

 

 

Zinn's book.

 

I've met history majors who've never heard of Magna Carta or Robespierre.

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4 hours ago, J0ker said:

Zinn's book.

 

I've met history majors who've never heard of Magna Carta or Robespierre.

You're kidding? 

 

Edit: Although there are many historians who concentrate on just 1 period and everything else is alien to them.Same with physicists etc.

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45 minutes ago, Keleth said:

You're kidding? 

 

Edit: Although there are many historians who concentrate on just 1 period and everything else is alien to them.Same with physicists etc.

I'm not but I never said they were historians just history majors.  Their purpose is to party, drink and have a good time for 4 years.  Oh and getting by in school.

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2 hours ago, Keleth said:

You're kidding? 

 

My daughter (educated here) met up with a bunch of UK public school people.  She was genuinely astonished because one guy (well done Sherborne) had never heard of Hiroshima.  He thought she was being nasty and offered excuse that he had not done history A level.  Another friend (St Paul's Girls) did not know that pork was not Kosher. 

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6 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

Another friend (St Paul's Girls) did not know that pork was not Kosher. 

Is it relevant in the UK to know all the rules of religious diets (if you yourself are not religious)?

 

Pork is not kosher, but giraffe meat is kosher (and halal, too).

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17 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

Is it relevant in the UK to know all the rules of religious diets (if you yourself are not religious)?

 

Pork is not kosher, but giraffe meat is kosher (and halal, too).

 

My father went to Sherborne in the 1930s.  Everyone had to attend to chapel (attend, not join in).  There was always a non pork meal available.  Giraffe was unlikely to have been on the menu.  

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4 hours ago, snowingagain said:

 

My daughter (educated here) met up with a bunch of UK public school people.  She was genuinely astonished because one guy (well done Sherborne) had never heard of Hiroshima.  He thought she was being nasty and offered excuse that he had not done history A level.  Another friend (St Paul's Girls) did not know that pork was not Kosher. 

It is the way it is. Some people know more about some things than others. Plenty of people around the world, even sometimes educated people, think New York is the capital of the USA, Sydney the capital of Australia, Rio the capital of Brazil, Toronto the capital of Canada and Scotland is in England etc.

Just the way it is!🙏🏻
And they can be specialised in other things...and brilliant!

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20 hours ago, Keleth said:

So no comment on the fact  Nascar just had record figures

 

Do you have a link to illustrate what you mean by record figures?   I have found a reference to one event which was well attended but nothing about full season attendance reversing.   

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

But I thought getting political would hurt sports ?

It will.

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Why do you think I used en masse in what you quoted ?

Ferguson was a huge story and Kaepernick rode on its coattails. 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Wait now you`re confusing me.You say no political protest then come up with this one.

The NBA thinks it can make money off of racial divisions.   I have some doubts that it is a sound long term strategy.   In addition, the NBA is trying to grow its business in China.   Again, i don't think it is a sustainable business model.  

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

I`m not trawling through threads to find all examples of it but you do it a lot when someone disagrees with you.

If a statement someone makes is so notable, you might want to bookmark it.   

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Steve Bannon is racist.

Let me guess you probably think that just because somebody who associates with racists,employs them,promotes them,publishes their articles and video,speaks to them at rallies is not a racist and hasn`t a racist bone in their body ?

But he doesn't.   

 

The act of accusing someone of racism does not make them racist.   You need to look at facts.

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

So did Pol Pot and various others ?

Markus Wolf had his own cooking show on German television.    I don't find German food so interesting so i cannot judge if he was competent in his second career.

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

That`s pretty much free speech which many people believe in but don`t believe in having to accept the consequences of your free speech.

 

What kind of consequences do you have in mind?   Which part of Bannon's speech is offensive?    Engaging with people who hold opinions different or even opposing to your own is healthy.   

 

20 hours ago, Keleth said:

Ok.Should people wear masks indoors when around other people as in shopping etc ?

 

It really depends on the circumstances, the location, the density, etc.   Not sure i understand your focus on getting a one size fits all answer.  

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20 minutes ago, balticus said:

Ferguson was a huge story and Kaepernick rode on its coattails. 

Yep giving up 14.5m is riding on coattails.

21 minutes ago, balticus said:

The NBA thinks it can make money off of racial divisions.   I have some doubts that it is a sound long term strategy.   In addition, the NBA is trying to grow its business in China.   Again, i don't think it is a sustainable business model.

Answer the question.Is it good that the NBA will not allow protests against China ?

Not if it is financially a good idea but do you think it is a good idea not to allow it ?

You seem to be a proponent of the "stick to sports" idea.

22 minutes ago, balticus said:

But he doesn't. 

I`m sorry.

Bannon does not give a platform to racists ?

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/10/11/steve-bannon-poses-fascist-racist-london/ (This one is someone not just with different views as you put it but someone who likes to refer to himself as 14 and 88,likes holocaust jokes,anti semitic conspiracies etc etc.)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/steve-bannon-call-racist-wear-badge-honor/story?id=53656814

Then of course there is Breitbart.

26 minutes ago, balticus said:

It really depends on the circumstances, the location, the density, etc.   Not sure i understand your focus on getting a one size fits all answer. 

Should mask be worn at sports events,political events,bars,shops,churches,etc etc it`s not really a difficult question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, yourkeau said:

but giraffe meat is kosher (and halal, too).

Doesn`t it being Halal also have to do with if it is properly killed.So if a Giraffe was shot and cut up then it wouldn`t be Halal ?

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14 hours ago, yourkeau said:

Is it relevant in the UK to know all the rules of religious diets (if you yourself are not religious)?

 

 

There is an expectation that people know things that are considered the common shared knowledge of educated people. 

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9 hours ago, Keleth said:

Yep giving up 14.5m is riding on coattails.

Not about money.  BLM was well known before Kaepernick took a knee.

9 hours ago, Keleth said:

Answer the question.Is it good that the NBA will not allow protests against China ?

Not if it is financially a good idea but do you think it is a good idea not to allow it ?

It's a business decision.  

 

Speaking of business, please post the link that shows record attendance for Nascar this season.  

9 hours ago, Keleth said:

You seem to be a proponent of the "stick to sports" idea.

Yes.   Outside of game time the players can say or do whatever they like.  

9 hours ago, Keleth said:

I`m sorry.

Bannon does not give a platform to racists ?

 

Read that article.  Did he stand in the same room with some guy?  Does that mean anything?   Nope.

9 hours ago, Keleth said:

 

Just like TT, when people have no salient arguments they start hurling spurious accusations.   It is a white flag of surrender.

9 hours ago, Keleth said:

Then of course there is Breitbart.

 

I don't find Breitbart interesting nor do I think it is overtly racist.   As stated earlier, simply accusing somebody or something of racism does not make it true.

9 hours ago, Keleth said:

Should mask be worn at sports events,political events,bars,shops,churches,etc etc it`s not really a difficult question.

 

You seem to think that this is a yes or no question and I don't.

 

You need to stop replying to me or angry Alex will declare you an enemy of the state.   

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22 minutes ago, balticus said:

Not about money.  BLM was well known before Kaepernick took a knee.

Know what en masse means ?

22 minutes ago, balticus said:

It's a business decision.  

So is it a good thing they don`t allow protests against China in your view ?

https://www.jayski.com/nascar-tv-ratings/

26 minutes ago, balticus said:

Read that article.  Did he stand in the same room with some guy?  Does that mean anything?   Nope.

Not sure but as the picture shows Bannon with his arm around him I`m guessing he did.

Seriously,would you put your arm around and pose for a photo with Jeffrey Dahmer or Jeffrey Epstein after you knew what they had done ?

Don`t even try to say Bannon didn`t know who he was.

 

28 minutes ago, balticus said:

I don't find Breitbart interesting nor do I think it is overtly racist.

Ok you have your views on what`s racist.

Would you say the alt right are racist ?

31 minutes ago, balticus said:

You seem to think that this is a yes or no question and I don't.

I can see you have the itch to declare masks a conspiracy and that wearing them doesn`t help etc but you haven`t quite reached that point yet especially now Trump has decided to wear a mask.

Do you think at Trumps Tulas rally or in full churches (bearing in mind no social distancing)masks should have been compulsory ?

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13 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Know what en masse means ?

 

Yes - and you seem to be using it incorrectly here.

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So is it a good thing they don`t allow protests against China in your view ?

 

My view is that the political messages allowed are driven by a desire to attract fans and generate profit.   I think their moves will backfire.

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Shows a mixed picture at best.

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Not sure but as the picture shows Bannon with his arm around him I`m guessing he did.

The camera guy asked for a photo with Banon and he obliged.   Does it mean that he signed this guy's manifesto?  Do you have evidence that Bannon knew the background of everyone involved including the cleaning person?   Your grasping at straws.

 

 

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Don`t even try to say Bannon didn`t know who he was.

Why not?  Present some evidence that he did.

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Ok you have your views on what`s racist.

 

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Would you say the alt right are racist ?

Some are, and some aren't.   Declaring someone to be alt-right does not make it so.

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I can see you have the itch to declare masks a conspiracy

Get your eyes checked then.

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and that wearing them doesn`t help etc but you haven`t quite reached that point yet especially now Trump has decided to wear a mask.

 

My views on the efficacy have nothing to do with what Trump does.

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Do you think at Trumps Tulas rally or in full churches (bearing in mind no social distancing)masks should have been compulsory ?

 

Depends on the church, the area, density and ventilation.  

 

Angry Alex and a couple of others claimed that Trump's rally was pretty empty.   I didn't watch it so I don't know or care.  

 

But telling the public that the virus does not spread during mass protests, but it does spread through church is inconsistent if not dishonest.

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