Black BAME and POC supporters of Trump

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15 hours ago, cb6dba said:

Looking back a while I think we learned that there are various ways to deal with trolls and posters who are generally only here to cause trouble.

1). Out troll them.

2). ignore them.

3) Bit of both.

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However the easy way, is just to block them. Eventually they move on somewhere else to get their much needed and desperately sought attention.

 

Agree 100%.   

 

The forum is a lot more civil without AlexTr, El Jeffo and SpiderPig.   

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19 hours ago, Keleth said:

Didn`t screenshot it,erg it never happened,he is innocent.

I did not write that.   

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

 

So Kaepernick didn`t highlight social injustice by kneeling during the anthem ?

How many people would have even thought about it or BLM without that gesture ?

BLM started in 2014 after events in Ferguson just outside of St. Louis.    Kaepernick started kneeling a couple years later.  

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

I do know quite a few Turks who aren`t happy with him.

He can believe whatever he wants.   The moment he starts displaying political gestures on the field, pre-game, etc, it would be a problem.   Remember, these guys have very serious disputes if they are asked to wear a uniform with an "Adidas" on it when they are paid by "Nike".    They understand branding.  

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

If Nascar can survive BLM etc then why will the NFL and NBA suffer ?

Is Nascar racing during the Corona restrictions?    Has Nascar allowed its drivers / crews to do political demos before or during the races?

 

Corona might demonstrate that people are better off doing sports themselves rather than watching others do them.  

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

You have zero nuance.

Perhaps you don't understand what i have been writing.  

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

I thought he was doing a bang up job with the pandemic ?

He is doing fine.   

 

Sort this by Deaths/1m and let me know which Governors screwed up by forcing nursing homes to accept Corona patients and thus which should be voted out. 

 

You might notice that the fear porn about the surge in Corona cases ignores the effect of the massive demos just over a month ago, and focuses on states considered "swing states" or states where key Senate and Rep seats are in play.   Cases are rising with testing.   Deaths are plummeting, but you would think that the world is ending.    The coverage is 90% political spin. 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

That`is kind of like if Merkel seeing the rise of the Right turned round and said she is anti immigration and we should send them all back.

Stay on topic.

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

Anyone who associates or defends a racist on the topic of racism is a racist.

Oh but wait Steve Bannon isn`t a racist right.

Stay on topic.  

19 hours ago, Keleth said:

Show me some countries where it is not.

 

Good point and it is why things will get worse before they get better.  

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59 minutes ago, balticus said:

I did not write that.  

So it did happen ?

1 hour ago, balticus said:

BLM started in 2014 after events in Ferguson just outside of St. Louis.    Kaepernick started kneeling a couple years later.

I did not write that.

Your point ?

I`ll ask again.Would people have been aware of BLM en masse like they are if Kaepernick had not knelt ?

1 hour ago, balticus said:

Is Nascar racing during the Corona restrictions?    Has Nascar allowed its drivers / crews to do political demos before or during the races?

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1 hour ago, balticus said:

The moment he starts displaying political gestures on the field, pre-game, etc, it would be a problem.

Why ?

If it doesn`t affect the game as such then where is the problem ?

 

You keep saying people shouldn`t comment on stuff unless they`ve lived there,experienced it or whatever yet you feel quite happy to comment on sports which you patently know nothing about.

Why are you above your own rules ?

1 hour ago, balticus said:

He is doing fine.

Should people wear masks ?

1 hour ago, balticus said:

Stay on topic.

That is on topic.You defend Steve Bannon as not being a racist ergo you are a racist sympathiser so you have no problem with defending how people address other races.

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On 7/12/2020, 9:53:27, GerardB said:

I fail to see how calling the coronavirus "Chinese flu" is any more racist than saying you don't want to touch

You know where the Spanish Flu came from ?

I`ll give you a clue it wasn`t Spain.

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3 hours ago, balticus said:

 

Agree 100%.   

 

The forum is a lot more civil without AlexTr, El Jeffo and SpiderPig.   

I'd like to chat about the history of trolling on the forum with you but you haven't been around long enough to have a long term overview of the issue.
Unless of course you have any this is a second or third account.

If this is your first account, and that you seem to say that people shouldn't comment unless they have experience, we can park any discussion on long term trolling on the forum, you weren't there.

Although, making passive aggressive posts involving people who I did not mention in my post (in an attempt to get them engaged here), shows not only a level of integration in to society here in Germany, but also that you may have just been around the forum for longer than your user would infer.

SpiderPig isn't a troll, he's just very direct, I can see some people having problems with him, he isn't easy to drag in to conversations if the user is just trying to look intelligent and get attention.
The other two are tricky to discuss with, they press on facts and don't let go. I can see why some people would have problems with them.

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2 hours ago, Keleth said:

You know where the Spanish Flu came from ?

I`ll give you a clue it wasn`t Spain.

 

So you're saying the coronavirus didn't originate in China? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

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2 hours ago, GerardB said:

 

So you're saying the coronavirus didn't originate in China? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Yes because I`ve been visiting J2s favourite sites idiot

I`m saying a name doesn`t mean anything and giving it the name of a country where it originated is pointless and just people blaming that country.

You don`t hear Syphilis being called "The American disease" for example.

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1 hour ago, Keleth said:

Yes because I`ve been visiting J2s favourite sites idiot

I`m saying a name doesn`t mean anything and giving it the name of a country where it originated is pointless and just people blaming that country.

You don`t hear Syphilis being called "The American disease" for example.

 

Why can't you have a civil conversation on this site? You just called me an "idiot" for no good reason.

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20 minutes ago, GerardB said:

 

Why can't you have a civil conversation on this site? You just called me an "idiot" for no good reason.

No I called you an idiot because you are an idiot.

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On 7/13/2020, 6:44:57, balticus said:

 

At least intellectually lazy and unable or unwilling to take a more nuanced view of the world. 

 

My oldest teenager's curriculum in Berlin was roughly 30% current events delivered very superficially.   Some of the teachers were literally political activists.   

 

I have the impression that most USAmericans learn history from Hollywood movies.    Germans tend to know a bit about WWI and WWII, but don't ask about the 1920s.    The scope is very limited.  

True but it has a lot to do with political orientation.  I find right wingers a lot more historically literate than leftards at least in the modern day.  One of my favourite historians, Will Durant, was considered a socialist and womens' rights advocate for his time but would probably be considered a waaaaycist by the usual suspects.

 

As for movies it's telling that the genius from Good Will Hunting refered to Zinn's People History of the USA as a "real history book".  I can name you at least a dozen falsities and select quotations off the top of my head from that piece of garbage.

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And while I am it, we really have to watch out for people who use social media to get people punished for their views. 

This lady from Tunisia, for example , has been victimised: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53408262


Which of you, Left or Right , agree with what happened?

 

For the record- I totally disagree with this young woman being slung into gaol.

 

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20 minutes ago, john g. said:

And while I am it, we really have to watch out for people who use social media to get people punished for their views. 

This lady from Tunisia, for example , has been victimised: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53408262


Which of you, Left or Right , agree with what happened?

 

For the record- I totally disagree with this young woman being slung into gaol.

 

I`m shocked because normally religions show themselves to be incredibly tolerant of people disagreeing with them.

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51 minutes ago, J0ker said:

True but it has a lot to do with political orientation. 

Shouldn`t that then mean that history taught in the UK is not limited ?

 

History is written by the victors as someone once said.That`s why history is very shadowy in many countries.

 

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8 minutes ago, Keleth said:

I`m shocked because normally religions show themselves to be incredibly tolerant of people disagreeing with them.

Yes- though some societies are more tolerant than others in that regard.

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16 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Shouldn`t that then mean that history taught in the UK is not limited ?

 

History is written by the victors as someone once said.That`s why history is very shadowy in many countries.

 

In democratic societies, historians can revise and do. Not one serious book about the Spanish Civil War was written in Spain in Spanish during Franco‘s time, for example. All the historians with seminal works were written by foreigners.

This did not change until after Franco‘s death. Then came the flood of writing.

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