Black BAME and POC supporters of Trump

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On 6/5/2020, 10:16:55, Rushrush said:

The first thing is some Black people rejecting the Marxist/Lenist narrative of the left, often lumped in with "socialism" and Globalism. Populism at it's core.

Could you please define the following terms:

1. Marxism-Leninism

2. Socialism

3. Globalism

 

Because I think your definitions of these terms are different from what they actually mean, that's why I cannot get your point.

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5 hours ago, jeba said:

That´s antisemitism though - not racism. Not that it´s less stupid.

 

Good to know the nazis are not racists.

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28 minutes ago, yourkeau said:

Could you please define the following terms:

1. Marxism-Leninism

2. Socialism

3. Globalism

 

Because I think your definitions of these terms are different from what they actually mean, that's why I cannot get your point.

Straight from the Republican dog-whistle playbook:

1. Marxism-Leninism = Jews

2. Socialism = Jews

3. Globalism = Jews

 

Isn't it horrible how some groups are intent on trying to pit blacks against Jews?

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31 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

Good to know the nazis are not racists.

Please point me to where John spoke of nazis.

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You cannot be Black and be a Trump supporter.

 

If you are then you are completely deluded. Fit to be in a mental home forever. With no hope that you will ever recover.

 

Its like a Jew being a Nazi supporter.

 

Somethings are mutually exclusive.

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I'm afraid there are black Trump supporters. Not just Kanye West... don't ask me about their reasoning. Ask them.

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On 6/7/2020, 10:42:23, Rushrush said:

Opps this is embarrassing Black cabinet minister disinvited to BLM march for having the wrong views. Can't seem to copy and paste the relevant text some form of popup I can't close

 

 

A little background on this. Canada unlike the US doesn't have what Diane Francis called a seething underclass. I remember her speaking some 30 years ago at my Uni (back before conservative speakers got de-platformed) and she said pretty much the same thing and how blessed we were in Canada didn't have that underclass. Anyways so Canada has always been a nation of immigrants and in the last 15 years the Liberal government has been ramping up the number of immigrants coming from non-white countries (read non Europeans). This was based on the flawed assumption that they'd all become faithful Liberal voters locking the PCs into a permanent minority. I even read a book claiming that by 2020 immigrants would turn the PC into Canada's natural governing party. 

Well the thing is among those immigrants are a lot of entrepreneurs who resent government overreach and taxation (that's another whole story) and like with the case of he joined the Alberta Conservatives. Matter of fact one of the PC leadership candidates is a Black women herself . Man oh man I'd love her to win, she'd give Trudeau heard burn! She's a very eloquently spoken social conservative!

 

On 6/6/2020, 6:06:46, Keleth said:

Growing up I was always taught by my parents to look at people as individuals not as part of a group.There are arsehole Jews,arsehole POC,arsehole gays etc etc,it doesn`t matter what you are in regards to colour etc,all that matters is who you are.

I often hear people that racism is taught but I disagree, tribalism is inherent in our nature, us vs them. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Metall said:

I'm afraid there are black Trump supposrters. Not just Kanye West... don't ask me about their reasoning. Ask them.

 

I've been curious about that myself so I've been seeking them out on twitter to see the how and why of their thinking. I'm half way through Zuby's interview with Ben Shapiro. and I'm slowly finding more. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, The Vindictive said:

You cannot be Black and be a Trump supporter.

 

If you are then you are completely deluded. Fit to be in a mental home forever. With no hope that you will ever recover.

 

Its like a Jew being a Nazi supporter.

 

Somethings are mutually exclusive.

You`re forgetting that there also appears to be a class divide in the US black community just like the white one.

Many of them who support Trump seem to be more on the affluent/business side of it and seem more concerned about money and power than anything else and all the time they`re gaining out of supporting Trump then how other less well off blacks are doing doesn`t mean shit to them.

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4 minutes ago, Keleth said:

You`re forgetting that there also appears to be a class divide in the US black community just like the white one.

Many of them who support Trump seem to be more on the affluent/business side of it and seem more concerned about money and power than anything else and all the time they`re gaining out of supporting Trump then how other less well off blacks are doing doesn`t mean shit to them.

 

Economically speaking, Blacks have actually been doing quite well under Trump. Before corona, unemployment was at an all-time low. This is due in no small part to Trump's more restrictive immigration policies, as less well educated Blacks (and Whites of course) have been having to compete with (illegal) immigrants for jobs for a long time.

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That talking point has been debunked multiple times.

 

AP fact check

 

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THE FACTS: Trump is seeking credit he doesn’t deserve for black job growth. He’s also wrong to assert that Democrats haven’t done anything to improve the economic situation for African Americans.

It’s true that black unemployment did reach a record low during the Trump administration: 5.9 percent in May 2018. It currently stands at 6 percent.

But many economists view the continued economic growth since the middle of 2009, when Democratic President Barack Obama was in office, as the primary explanation for hiring. More important, there are multiple signs that the racial wealth gap is now worsening and the administration appears to have done little, if anything, to specifically address this challenge.

African Americans also had higher income prior to the Trump administration. A black household earned median income of $40,258 in 2017, the latest data available. That’s below a 2000 peak of $42,348, according to the Census Bureau.

 

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13 hours ago, El Jeffo said:

That talking point has been debunked multiple times.

 

AP fact check

 

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But many economists view the continued economic growth since the middle of 2009, when Democratic President Barack Obama was in office, as the primary explanation for hiring. More important, there are multiple signs that the racial wealth gap is now worsening and the administration appears to have done little, if anything, to specifically address this challenge.

 

Shocking that inequality has grown since March, 2009 when the economic central planners' strategy was to build confidence by inflating asset prices, e.g. stocks and real estate.   And who owns stocks and real estate?  

 

People who do not own stocks or cannot get a loan have been left behind.    Here is someone oozing with privilege and totally oblivious.   

 

 

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So wanting to be a good ally of POC and not only to check my White privilege but also to help amplify  Black and POC voices I spent some time searching out and finding Black conservatives on twitter and FB. The reality is that most of my freinds and people here are Liberal so it takes some digging. Well I have to say this stuff really messes with your head!!! Not just with your head but with your friends, quite a Black conservative and you get dirty looks and lectures from your Liberal friends.  So Zuby, a Black Conservative and the British Women's dead-lift and bench press record holder had this to say about racism, via twitter. 

 

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Why do some people get so upset and angry when I say that the UK is not a racist country? There is racism in the UK. Obviously. But the UK is not a 'racist country'. If you disagree, please tell me what you are comparing it to.

In my opinion, in a 'racist country' there would be: 1/ laws or policies discriminating against people based on race/ethnicity and/or 2/ widespread, virulent racism against one or more groups of people and/or 3/ widespread tolerance of said racism The UK fails on all 3.

 

And a question from a follower, "Would you say the US follows under any of those categories?"

The USA certainly has more racial issues than the UK. But I wouldn't call it a racist country either. Not in 2020

 

Regarding BLM

 

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I do not support 'Black Lives Matter'. Never have and never will. Why? Because they only care about the 0.001% of black lives that they can use to push their divisive political agenda. The whole thing is disingenuous BS. A catchy name isn't enough to dupe all of us.

Oh and of course he had to clarify this

To be super duper clear. I am talking about the ORGANISATION. Not the statement itself. I assumed this was super obvious, but apparently not to everybody

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Despite historical oppression, Black Americans are some of the wealthiest people on earth and have more opportunities than 99% of other black people. See the bigger picture. And not everybody who acknowledges inequality is on board with radical leftist policies to address it.

 

And this on Black on Black violence (1 min video not loading again grrr)

 

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1270032949619146752?s=20

 

I tell you that this not only messes with your head but the more your read the more careful you have to be to toe the line. Imagine if I said any of the above to any of my friends, Oh My!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 7.6.2020, 07:50:46, balticus said:

It will make a huge difference to the jury and had the demonstrators known that George (RIP) was no angel, the protests may have resulted in less violence, burning, and looting.   

 

No, it will not.  From what I have seen the situation with George floyd was a trigger but the protestors own experiences with police violence and racism is what is driving the anger.  You can try the victim blaming tactic as much as you want, it is almost expected in situations like these.  It doesn't justify anything. 

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Globalists would that be the Jews 🤨

 

Warning Very Strong Language

 

 

edit couldn't find a non FB link

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i don‘t know, Brad. But categorising people is also a toughie. Many working class people are „ conservative „. . There is no reason for any political party Left or Right or Centre or anything else to take their voters for granted.. but they often do. They often assume he or she will vote for them because of this or the other reason but that, again , is stereotyping. And definitely condescending.

And Che Guevara was „ shopped „ by poor Guarani- speaking Bolivian small-time farmers worried about „ this bloody foreigner speaking a foreign language.“

 

 

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2 hours ago, john g. said:

i don‘t know, Brad. But categorising people is also a toughie. Many working class people are „ conservative „. . There is no reason for any political party Left or Right or Centre or anything else to take their voters for granted.. but they often do. They often assume he or she will vote for them because of this or the other reason but that, again , is stereotyping. And definitely condescending.

And Che Guevara was „ shopped „ by poor Guarani- speaking Bolivian small-time farmers worried about „ this bloody foreigner speaking a foreign language.“

 

 

I meant why is rushrush and his sock puppets suddenly slamming this topic that seems to have little interest with anyone else.  Trump support was in the 8% range among African Americans for his election.  It is not likely to be higher now, especially since Joe Biden is popular among African Americans and Obama will probably be campaigning for him.  So I am just wondering what the point of this thread is.  Sure there are a very few African Americans who support Trump.  He was happy to point out "my African American" during his last campaign.  I am aso sure there were rural white Texans who supported Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, but not in any statistically relevant way.  

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