Serious concern with the current tenancy situation in my apartment

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"girl friend" or "care giver" does make a difference in this case.

If the extra person in that apartment is legally registered at that address he/she would have had to present a "Wohnungsgeberbescheinigung" (from the owner, or the property manager).

 

That doesn't change the fact that you will have a hard time getting the tenant out. Especially if it's an older person, living in that apartment since 1995.

 

In case the new additional occupant is really just a care giver, you'd get "lucky" once your tenant passes.

 

If you already know exactly when your children will be going to College in Berlin, you can still try to move your tenant out.

If that was me, though, I'd let the old person stay for as long as they want, and use the money you make from that to pay for a small WG-Zimmer for your student child - if that ever happens.

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3 hours ago, karin_brenig said:

Wohnungsgeberbescheinigung" (from the owner, or the property manager).

which the owner would be obligated to sign. Even if he was subletting to his girlfriend (in which case the tenant could sign it himself) the owner would have a hard time refusing permission.

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If tenants had so many rights in Germany as they have in Israel (which is: zero), the rents would skyrocket to that of Tel Aviv where you pay 1000 euro for a tiny studio worth of 200 euro in Germany.

 

You can always sell your apartment, this is totally normal to sell it with the sitting tenant, and give cash to your children. Why you assume from Australia they will want to live in a shithole Berlin instead of more decent cities like Hamburg or Munich?

 

That is the most easy way to solve your problem.

 

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2 hours ago, Janx Spirit said:

 

 

 

TT.

Never.

Forgets.

 

spider pig posted link to OP's original post-

"Say it- forget it

Write it- regret it."

 

OP- yes, it is a bummer when your property is tied up in this way, and you may need to spend quite a bit to regain  it.

So many people here look at rental properties as their retirement pensions, so are happy to have long term tenants.

Selling it on could be an option. Just don't buy another property with sitting tenants, who have been there for so many years.

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14 minutes ago, RedMidge said:

spider pig posted link to OP's original post-

"Say it- forget it

Write it- regret it."

 

OP- yes, it is a bummer when your property is tied up in this way, and you may need to spend quite a bit to regain  it.

So many people here look at rental properties as their retirement pensions, so are happy to have long term tenants.

Selling it on could be an option. Just don't buy another property with sitting tenants, who have been there for so many years.

 

I'd say don't buy a property with sitting tenants period if you are planning to kick them out.  Even if they haven't been in the apartment for years, it's still very hard to get tenants out in Germany.  If the tenant is disabled or has a disabled child for example, almost impossible to get out if they fight it.

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On 5/2/2020, 7:57:45, shapebuster said:

Hi all

 

I am the landlord of an apartment in Berlin. It's a 4 room apartment in West Berlin. Unfortunately, we currently have a situation developing where I may never gain access to this apartment. I have owned this apartment since 2008. The apartment was already occupied by an older couple. At the time, I was unaware of the tenancy laws in Berlin and how it could impact my future. I would love to hear some advice from you if any of you have any experience in this regard. For the record, there was a couple living there since 1995 I think. 

 

I went to visit Berlin last year and went to check the apartment block. When I arrived, I noticed that there was a new name stickered below the current tenant's name on the doorbell. I was concerned as I thought the apartment was being sublet. I was angry and spoke to my property manager. She informed me that the wife has died last year and the husband has a new girlfriend living there. 

 

I immediately hired a lawyer to investigate the legalities of this. It turns out that its legal and they are entitled to do this. My lawyer then mentioned that if this new girlfriend marries the widowed husband, she will be entitled to live there with strict laws after he dies. This is very frustrating to me as I had hoped to let my children live here soon as they'll be finishing their studies. 

 

Is there any way to reduce the possibility of my fears occurring? If I wanted to get these people to move out how would you suggest going about it? I have waited a long time now and would really like to gain access to my property.

 

Thanks

If he has lived there since 1995 he has a lot of memories attached to that place, and in Germany, a house is rightly a home, not a piece of real estate that you just sell and buy. Further, he is an old man. Where is he going to find a new place? Recently the rent laws have been further tightened. The best way is to accept what you have. Moreover, if your children want to come to Berlin, why don t they rent a place of their own? The recent rent laws make it more affordable.

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This is actually one of the reasons why sometimes I find reading posts on TT very frustrating. So many posters trying to get help for non real or plain nasty reasons thinly covered by half hearted stories. People trying to evict elderly couple just for profit, trying to veil it with flimsy story of their children wanting to move in just fit in nicely. 

 

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3 hours ago, Wherearewegoingto said:

People trying to evict elderly couple just for profit, trying to veil it with flimsy story of their children wanting to move in just fit in nicely. 

 

The ability to read minds and know other's intentions is a true gift.  I'm taking a trip today.  Can you tell me where I am going to?

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On 6/20/2020, 4:00:34, catjones said:

 

The ability to read minds and know other's intentions is a true gift.  I'm taking a trip today.  Can you tell me where I am going to?

  On 10/10/2018, 2:40:57,shapebuster said:

All this socialist bias has fuelled my motivation to get the tenants out.

 

Can't wait to rub it in all your faces.

 

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