Soforthilfe 2 Corona Zuschuss recipients - How was your experience so far?

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Update!

 

As you remember from some days ago (and my last post) IBB wrote both my wife and me two identical (but separate) emails. They have cancelled all subsequent attempts and voided them as null but they kept the original one, which was for the 5000EUR of Corona Zuschuss I (the Berlin fund).

 

They are referring to the Antragsnummer of our FIRST reuqest, when we asked for 5000EUR to the Corona Zuschuss I (the Berlin fund). But it seems they are treating it now as a Corona Zuschuss II request (the federal fund). I have no idea if they moved it a request of 9000EUR (which was what we asked to the Corona Zuschuss II formular) or if they are keeping a request of 5000EUR and treating it as a Corona Zuschuss II fund. Totally no idea.

 

But read below, because in the case of my reply (not my wife's, which is this one right below) they kinda wrote a different amount :) I won't spoil it!

 

They wrote my wife this:

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wir beziehen uns auf den in der Betreffzeile genannten Antrag. Ihr Antrag wurde im Rahmen einer zufällig getroffenen Auswahl für eine Stichprobenprüfung ausgewählt.  

 

Bitte reichen Sie zur Begründung Ihres Antrags daher folgende Unterlagen nach:

 

1. Gewerbeanmeldung oder Nachweis über die Ausübung einer freiberuflichen Tätigkeit

2. Kontoauszug, aus dem der Name des Antragstellers sowie die IBAN hervorgehen 

3. Kopie Ihres Personalausweises

4. Bestätigung von Ihnen, dass die von Ihnen ausgeübte Tätigkeit im Haupterwerb ausgeübt wird (d.h. der überwiegende Teil des monatlichen Bruttoeinkommens wird hieraus bestritten)

5. Nachweis des Finanzamtes, aus dem hervorgeht, dass Sie als Zuschussempfänger*in steuerlich in Berlin veranlagt werden (bspw. durch Steuerbescheid 2018 oder 2019)

6. Angabe über die Anzahl der im Unternehmen beschäftigten Mitarbeiter (einschließlich Ihrer Person, geringfügig Beschäftigter, Auszubildender, Vollzeitbeschäftigter und Teilzeitbeschäftigter, unter Angabe der Wochenarbeitszeit der Teilzeitbeschäftigten)

 

Bitte reichen Sie die Unterlagen bis zum 09.06.2020, 18:00 Uhr als Antwort auf diese E-Mail ein. 

 

Im Gegensatz zu den Landesmitteln dürfen die Zuschüsse des Bundes ausschließlich zur Deckung der laufenden betrieblichen Sach-und Finanzaufwendungen, bezogen auf die drei der Antragstellung folgenden Monate, verwendet werden. Darunter fallen z.B.:

-       gewerbliche Miete, Pacht, Leasingausgaben, Energie- und Instandhaltungskosten,

-       betrieblich bedingte Versicherungsprämien, Beiträge (z.B. IHK), laufende Rechtsanwalts-, Beratungskosten, Abos für Zeitschriften usw., laufende Ausgaben Büromaterial, Kontoführungsgebühren, GEZ,

-       Instandhaltung Firmenfahrzeuge, Telefon, Werbung,

-       Zinsen (hier allerdings nur ein Viertel der Jahresleistung)

 

Nicht dazu zählen:

-       Wareneinkauf, Tilgungen, Sozialversicherungsbeiträge, Lebenshaltungskosten, Personalkosten, Steuern, Abschreibungen, Steuernachzahlungen, Lohnkosten eines Soloselbständigen

 

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
IBB

 

 

and a day or two later, they wrote me this:

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wir beziehen uns auf den in der Betreffzeile genannten Antrag. Ihr Antrag über 5,00 EUR Bundeszuschuss wurde im Rahmen einer Stichprobenprüfung bzgl. einer Betragserhöhung ausgewählt.  

 

Bitte reichen Sie zur Begründung Ihres Antrags daher folgende Unterlagen nach:

 

1. Gewerbeanmeldung oder Nachweis über die Ausübung einer freiberuflichen Tätigkeit

2. Kontoauszug, aus dem der Name des Antragstellers sowie die IBAN hervorgehen 

3. Kopie Ihres Personalausweises

4. Bestätigung von Ihnen, dass die von Ihnen ausgeübte Tätigkeit im Haupterwerb ausgeübt wird (d.h. der überwiegende Teil des monatlichen Bruttoeinkommens wird hieraus bestritten)

5. Nachweis des Finanzamtes, aus dem hervorgeht, dass Sie als Zuschussempfänger*in steuerlich in Berlin veranlagt werden (bspw. durch Steuerbescheid 2018 oder 2019)

6. Angabe über die Anzahl der im Unternehmen beschäftigten Mitarbeiter (einschließlich Ihrer Person, geringfügig Beschäftigter, Auszubildender, Vollzeitbeschäftigter und Teilzeitbeschäftigter, unter Angabe der Wochenarbeitszeit der Teilzeitbeschäftigten)

 

Bitte reichen Sie die Unterlagen bis zum 11.06.2020, 18:00 Uhr als Antwort auf diese E-Mail ein. 

Wir haben zur Kenntnis genommen, dass Sie den Bundeszuschuss für persönliche Belange nutzen wollen. Wir weisen ausdrücklich darauf hin, dass dies nicht möglich ist.

 

Im Gegensatz zu den Landesmitteln dürfen die Zuschüsse des Bundes ausschließlich zur Deckung der laufenden betrieblichen Sach-und Finanzaufwendungen, bezogen auf die drei der Antragstellung folgenden Monate, verwendet werden. Darunter fallen z.B.:

-       gewerbliche Miete, Pacht, Leasingausgaben, Energie- und Instandhaltungskosten,

-       betrieblich bedingte Versicherungsprämien, Beiträge (z.B. IHK), laufende Rechtsanwalts-, Beratungskosten, Abos für Zeitschriften usw., laufende Ausgaben Büromaterial, Kontoführungsgebühren, GEZ,

-       Instandhaltung Firmenfahrzeuge, Telefon, Werbung,

-       Zinsen (hier allerdings nur ein Viertel der Jahresleistung)

 

Nicht dazu zählen:

-       Wareneinkauf, Tilgungen, Sozialversicherungsbeiträge, Lebenshaltungskosten, Personalkosten, Steuern, Abschreibungen, Steuernachzahlungen, Lohnkosten eines Soloselbständigen

 

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
IBB

 

 

we replied them almost immediately, with all the requested documents. We even included a scan of our SCHUFA assessment, which is not older than 30 days and reports that both have positive SCHUFA. It was not requested, the original has a sort of fine print for authenticity (which cannot be obviously transferred via a scan) but at least we also put that. They can easily check our SCHUFA anyway on their own, probably faster than we can ask ourselves. But as a token of appreciation, since we both have a SCHUFA assessment done in the past 2 weeks, it was a good feeling to add it.

 

After a couple hours each, we received this identical reply:

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 wir beziehen uns auf den unter oben genanntem Zeichen geführten Antrag. Wie Ihnen bereits mitgeteilt wurde, wurde Ihr Antrag im Rahmen einer zufällig getroffenen Auswahl für eine Stichprobenprüfung ausgewählt.

 

Nach Abschluss der Prüfung Ihrer Unterlagen teilen wir Ihnen mit, dass Ihr Antrag zur Auszahlung freigegeben wird und die Auszahlung schnellstmöglich erfolgt.

 

Für Rückfragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Bitte sehen Sie jedoch von Anfragen zum Auszahlungszeitpunkt ab.

 

 Mit freundlichen Grüßen

 

 

We wait, more updates coming soon, for sure!

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That is great!!!!!!! but please tell me the 5 was a typo???? If they transfer 5€ I will die 

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On 6/12/2020, 7:04:26, beckwith90 said:

That is great!!!!!!! but please tell me the 5 was a typo??? If they transfer 5€ I will die 

 

I can tell you we did not request 5€, that's for sure. If I get 5€ I will know life gave me another chance to become world-famous. I will call every newspaper in the world with the story.

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I got an email today saying that I had been randomly selected for extra screening. I got an email at 4pm today and they want me to send everything by tomorrow if possible. At least I finally got some kind of response!

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Thanks for the update! My wife and I both received the money within 24 hours from each other, the adventure is finally over! We can catch a breath and with this one I'd like to thank everyone who followed this story! We'll sure have more to talk about on other topics but I suspect even this one will still make the headline sooner or later!

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5 hours ago, OpRez said:

Thanks for the update! My wife and I both received the money within 24 hours from each other, the adventure is finally over! We can catch a breath and with this one I'd like to thank everyone who followed this story! We'll sure have more to talk about on other topics but I suspect even this one will still make the headline sooner or later!

So you got free money from the German government without actually putting anything in or did u pay something in? Congratulations on screwing the German tax payer.

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People will always look to take advantage of what is being offered, Ren. Everywhere in the world. We have an unusual situation re corona, however.

I personally didn‘t apply for the Soforthilfe. 
I could have but couldn‘t be bothered with the bureaucracy. Speaking as a self-employed person but they wanted this and that. Too tiring.😟

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I’m not German, but I have been paying taxes here since 2010, and I don’t feel screwed. I’m happy to hear that someone who was really struggling was able to get help when they needed it. Life is so very unpredictable, and you never know when you’ll be in that exact situation. 

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31 minutes ago, Santitas said:

I’m not German, but I have been paying taxes here since 2010, and I don’t feel screwed. I’m happy to hear that someone who was really struggling was able to get help when they needed it. Life is so very unpredictable, and you never know when you’ll be in that exact situation. 

 

I feel the same way, the support is there to help people who need it. What were these people supposed to do in this unexpected situation? There was no time to prepare, it happened so fast and some people were left with no income almost overnight.  I'm glad it's there for them, and yes, there will be some who will abuse it, but that shouldn't stop us helping the ones who are really in trouble, through no fault of their own.

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2 hours ago, Tap said:

 

I feel the same way, the support is there to help people who need it. What were these people supposed to do in this unexpected situation? There was no time to prepare, it happened so fast and some people were left with no income almost overnight.  

Get a job. Lidl, edeka etc were all recruiting during the pandemic. Why should freelancers get bailed out and not people who lost their jobs in the hospitality sector for example.

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Wah wah wah, somebody got money and it wasn't me. How dare you people who aren't me get things? Nobody ever gives me nothin.

 

First it was the refugees, now it's the freelancers. I demand that all you lazy low-lifes get a job and ring up my groceries, stat.

 

Thanks for being such a ray of sunshine on a cloudy Sunday morning.

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27 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

Get a job. Lidl, edeka etc were all recruiting during the pandemic. Why should freelancers get bailed out and not people who lost their jobs in the hospitality sector for example.

I’m quite sure a number of people did just that, but it isn’t possible for everyone.  Some people take on freelance work to fit in with family. But then, schools and kindergartens were closed and not everybody has back up at home to care for children. Also, not every school and kindergarten could offer emergency classes, or they were provided only for emergency workers. Then there are the people who are desperately trying to save their business.  Most freelancers have to work for more than one client, so if only some of your clients stop, you still need to continue with the others, and at the same time, find a way to get the others back onboard, if that’s even possible.

 

 

 

Again, this all happened so fast and people are just now figuring out what they need to do. Either save their career, or start something new, but that takes time.  Not every situation is the same, they have to be looked at individually, don’t condemn everyone when you don’t know the whole story.

 

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19 minutes ago, El Jeffo said:

Wah wah wah, somebody got money and it wasn't me. How dare you people who aren't me get things? Nobody ever gives me nothin.

 

First it was the refugees, now it's the freelancers. I demand that all you lazy low-lifes get a job and ring up my groceries, stat.

 

Thanks for being such a ray of sunshine on a cloudy Sunday morning.

Is this the point where you go crying to dessa asking for me to be banned? How many people have you got banned by the way?

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38 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

Get a job. Lidl, edeka etc were all recruiting during the pandemic. Why should freelancers get bailed out and not people who lost their jobs in the hospitality sector for example.

 

Those people got unemployment and other social benefits. You know this.

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9 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

 

Those people got unemployment and other social benefits. You know this.

Do freelancers pay into unemployment insurance?

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3 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

Do freelancers pay into unemployment insurance?

 

No, but this is a special circumstance and these are not unemployment funds they are receiving. Essentially, the government put in place limitations that curbed the ability of freelancers to earn and, therefore, the government was obligated to assist. This is a larger ethical/moral point that people should not be left with no way to earn due to government regulation when they have done their due diligence in attaining the proper permits and visas.

 

Now, I have answered your question politely. Please politely answer mine. Are you a freelancer or a statutory employee?

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While I do understand and have no issues with govt. giving some funds to freelancers,  what I do not understand is why the families with kids get 300€ per kid? They already receive Kindergeld etc. Why the ppl without kids or singles do not get such benefit? I do not wish that money for myself as I already make enough, but there should've been some criteria e.g. low earners, factory workers etc instead of blindly distributing it. Why should a family (both parents working) making 100-120k be treated the same way as a family making 60-70K or even less? Doesn't make any sense. This money could have been distributed in a much better way...

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