Bosses on the back ;) surgery getting me fired?

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2 hours ago, atinherne said:

Thanks for taking the time!

it is totally diff things first 6 weeks from car accident at work and next 6 weeks from a surgery unrelated to the accident.

Boss called insurance and they told him both Au’s are the same and that my krankengeld started from april 27th.

Never heard from the kasse about it until I called them today.

 

So did you tell them when you called that they are for totally different things or are you just going to leave it at that?  If you complain, you are entitled to full wages from your boss.  If you leave it, you will get less money but are out of your boss' hair and just dealing with the kasse.

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30 minutes ago, LeonG said:

 

So did you tell them when you called that they are for totally different things or are you just going to leave it at that?  If you complain, you are entitled to full wages from your boss.  If you leave it, you will get less money but are out of your boss' hair and just dealing with the kasse.

I asked the kasse how is that and why I didnt get a warning that I will be going in krankengeld - according to them since april 27- thats what i hear they usually do. 

So they told me (kasse) they sent papers my way to fill in so I will take a look what it is and then decide how to proceed if I have it my way of course I dont want to fall in to the kasse yet until end of june but what has me baffled is how my bosses are able to get info about my illness or so from my kasse! Didnt know that was possible.

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1 minute ago, atinherne said:

I asked the kasse how is that and why I didnt get a warning that I will be going in krankengeld - according to them since april 27- thats what i hear they usually do. 

So they told me (kasse) they sent papers my way to fill in so I will take a look what it is and then decide how to proceed if I have it my way of course I dont want to fall in to the kasse yet until end of june but what has me baffled is how my bosses are able to get info about my illness or so from my kasse! Didnt know that was possible.

 

Did your employer know what your medical situation is or did the kasse just tell them "same".  The kasse is not supposed to give them your medical info but I wouldn't be surprised if they are allowed to tell them "same" or "different" because the employer needs to know if to keep paying you or whether the kasse is taking over.  Since the employer copy of the doctors note doesn't have any medical codes, it's not possible for the employer to know whether your problems are different or same unless somebody tells them.  Since your problems are not the same though, it seems that the kasse made a mistake.

 

In your shoes, I would try to find out from the employer exactly how much they know and if you feel the kasse has given them too much info, you should complain to the kasse.  If your employer believes that all your problems are for the same reason, it doesn't sound like the kasse has discussed with them in detail what is wrong with you.

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20 minutes ago, LeonG said:

 

Did your employer know what your medical situation is or did the kasse just tell them "same".  The kasse is not supposed to give them your medical info but I wouldn't be surprised if they are allowed to tell them "same" or "different" because the employer needs to know if to keep paying you or whether the kasse is taking over.  Since the employer copy of the doctors note doesn't have any medical codes, it's not possible for the employer to know whether your problems are different or same unless somebody tells them.  Since your problems are not the same though, it seems that the kasse made a mistake.

 

In your shoes, I would try to find out from the employer exactly how much they know and if you feel the kasse has given them too much info, you should complain to the kasse.  If your employer believes that all your problems are for the same reason, it doesn't sound like the kasse has discussed with them in detail what is wrong with you.

Boss asked them is it the same and kasse told him yes 🤷🏽‍♀️ 

I will update more once I get papers from kasse

thanks for following the drama 😀

 

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If I may add more to the developing story 🤭

I was hit right now with my insurance

letter letting me know that since end of april on on “sick money”. 

In my understanding I tought since I was in a car accident and right after that I had a surgery unrelated isnt it supposed to be 2 separate things?. 

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14 minutes ago, atinherne said:

If I may add more to the developing story 🤭

I was hit right now with my insurance

letter letting me know that since end of april on on “sick money”. 

In my understanding I tought since I was in a car accident and right after that I had a surgery unrelated isnt it supposed to be 2 separate things?. 

 

Did you work at all between recovering from the car accident and having the operation?

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7 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

 

Did you work at all between recovering from the car accident and having the operation?

No my boss didnt want to

is that the reason? Even if it 2 diff things unrelated?.

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3 hours ago, snowingagain said:

Not up to the boss.  It is about doctor certificates I think.  

 

Ok update my lawyer says its a new rule. 😬

would have been nice to be informed by my kasse of course like they do usually I hear. It is what it is now 

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41 minutes ago, atinherne said:

 

Ok update my lawyer says its a new rule. 😬

would have been nice to be informed by my kasse of course like they do usually I hear. It is what it is now 

 

Ok, I haven't heard of this new rule.  I suppose that means for the employer that it's just 6 weeks regardless of if it is for the same thing or not.

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30 minutes ago, LeonG said:

 

Ok, I haven't heard of this new rule.  I suppose that means for the employer that it's just 6 weeks regardless of if it is for the same thing or not.

Right and thats exactly what she wanted that I wouldnt come to work after the accident and go straight to my surgery. Now i know why 😂

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18 minutes ago, atinherne said:

Right and thats exactly what she wanted that I wouldnt come to work after the accident and go straight to my surgery. Now i know why 😂

 

So did the 2 doctor certificates coincide/overlap datewise?  Or was there a gap?  Because then it could be treated differently.

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44 minutes ago, snowingagain said:

 

So did the 2 doctor certificates coincide/overlap datewise?  Or was there a gap?  Because then it could be treated differently.

No gap no overlaping

total different sick codes 

 

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57 minutes ago, atinherne said:

No gap no overlaping

total different sick codes 

 

I think your Kasse has made a mistake. 

 

For how many days were you off sick for the accident in total (according to the codes on your doctor's notes)? How many days for the operation so far? 

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4 minutes ago, engelchen said:

II think your Kasse has made a mistake. 

 

For how many days were you off sick for the accident in total (according to the codes on your doctor's notes)? How many days fir the operation so far? 

After accident I was sick for 6 weeks (end april 24)

my surgery was straight after that (april 27) and still on sick leave. 

My insurance say they are right after my boss called them.

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So were you ok to come back to work earlier?  I can understand if you had a sick note until April 24th and surgery scheduled for the 27th that the employer did not want you to work on the weekend in between just so they'd have to pay you full wages for 6 weeks again.  Even if you could have come back for a week in between, I assume it would complicate things with the person they got to fill in for you and probably would have had to pay you both.  What happened to them wanting you to take some of it as vacation?  If you had a week of vacation in between, it might have changed something about the 6 week rule.  However, I haven't heard of this new rule so maybe not.

 

I found this story from 2011 where an employee went from one illness to another without a break in between and the employer refused to pay him wages for a new  6 week period stating that they were not convinced that it was a new problem or that the new problem was now completely responsible for his not being able to work.  It went to court and the employer won.  It would have been on the employee to prove that he was fully recovered from illness one before coming down with illness two.

 

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Interesting! Thanks

no chance to ask for a week holiday in between the 2 she was very clear she did not wanted me to have a gap. I was never sick this long so I didnt know the why of that.

I am sending my resignation anyways this week. He told me to hold it until he could find how they could benefit them selves and me 😂 I almost burst into laughter. 

How else do they want to be benefited? The woman that crash against me has paid them my salary for 6 weeks and now my health insurance is paying me so ill say its a win win all one way 😀

 

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I`m pretty sure if you go over 60 days in a year total sick it doesn`t matter what the reasons for the sickness is then the KK pays you.

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