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3 minutes ago, balticus said:

 

She is a nobody and Eric Clapton is a legend.    

But he's behaving like a bell-end...

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U.S. COVID-19 cases nearly triple in 2 weeks amid misinformation

 

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Current hospital patients appear to be younger and overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

COVID-19 cases nearly tripled in the U.S. over two weeks amid an onslaught of vaccine misinformation that is straining hospitals, exhausting doctors and pushing clergy into the fray.

 

I'm sure our resident antivaxers are quite proud of the latest developments. It seems like it was just 2 weeks ago that they were claiming that there's nothing to worry about, because cases had fallen off pretty much everywhere in the U.S.

 

On 7/6/2021, 2:13:02, balticus said:

Arizona stopped collecting data on March 7, 2021 and cases have fallen off pretty much everywhere in the US since then.   

Oh wait, it was.

 

My cousin says hi, btw.

 

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3 hours ago, balticus said:

He has had two jabs and suffered serious side effects.

 

His side effects lasted 10 days, and 2 weeks.

 

He has peripheral neuropathy and seems not to have obtained specialist advice before going for the jab. 

 

Why is this newsworthy or even a thing? 

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13 minutes ago, kiplette said:

 

His side effects lasted 10 days, and 2 weeks.

 

He has peripheral neuropathy and seems not to have obtained specialist advice before going for the jab. 

 

Why is this newsworthy or even a thing? 

 

Watching the narrative shift from "there are no side effects" to "there are rare mild side effects" to "there are mild side effects" to "there are rare severe side effects" to "the side effects are not bad enough to stop administering" has been amazing to observe.

 

It is especially interesting to me to see the same people demanding that 100% of population accept this experimental treatment ("if it saves one life"), then disregard the permanent damage and death caused by those same injections.

 

Why is it impossible to see all of the benefits and detriments of the various therapies, so that people can inform themselves and speak intelligently with their doctors about which, if any, would be a net positive on their health? Why ISN'T this newsworthy?

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1) It's not an experimental treatment. It has been administered hundreds of millions of times.

2) Your chances of suffering ill effects from the disease are several orders of magnitude higher than suffering ill effects from the vaccine.

3) Nobody is forcing you to get the vaccine. If you think you need to "speak intelligently" with your doctor, you're probably a Karen/Chad.

 

Please continue, though - you almost have a bingo.

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Plenty of disinformation on this page alone. I got vaccinated. I got a sheet listing the known side effects, from mild to life threatening. Nobody pretended there are no side effects. Only a liar would suggest otherwise.

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4 hours ago, El Jeffo said:

U.S. COVID-19 cases nearly triple in 2 weeks amid misinformation

 

I'm sure our resident antivaxers are quite proud of the latest developments. It seems like it was just 2 weeks ago that they were claiming that there's nothing to worry about, because cases had fallen off pretty much everywhere in the U.S.

 

Oh wait, it was.

 

My cousin says hi, btw.

 

Arizona was it?   

 

Triple a very, very small number is often still a very small number.    If you look at the data rather than the narrative, you can see that your hysterics are really not justified.    Relax, El Jeffo.   😎.  These are not graphs of an apocalypse. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, kiplette said:

 

His side effects lasted 10 days, and 2 weeks.

 

He has peripheral neuropathy and seems not to have obtained specialist advice before going for the jab. 

 

He was advised to get the vax so that he could safely interact with his family, if you believe the Rolling Stone article.  

1 hour ago, kiplette said:

Why is this newsworthy or even a thing? 

 

Because Eric Clapton is awesome and if he stopped playing, it would be a huge loss.   😎

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2 hours ago, kiplette said:

His side effects lasted 10 days, and 2 weeks.

 

2 hours ago, MadManEarle said:

disregard the permanent damage and death caused by those same injections

 

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Dude, that's just silly.

 

1 hour ago, balticus said:

Because Eric Clapton is awesome and if he stopped playing, it would be a huge loss.   😎

 

Fair point :lol:

 Although it turns out he's also a bit hysterical...

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3 hours ago, kiplette said:

Dude, that's just silly.

 

I mean, Clapton isn't the only one to have side effects. I'm pretty certain on that.

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3 hours ago, kiplette said:

 

 

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Dude, that's just silly.

 

 

Fair point :lol:

 Although it turns out he's also a bit hysterical...

And no stranger to tragedy. A parent's worst nightmare.

https://youtu.be/JxPj3GAYYZ0

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“What we are seeing is a decision by the government to get as many people infected as possible, as quickly as possible, while using rhetoric about caution as a way of putting the blame on the public for the consequences,” said Prof Robert West, a health psychologist at University College London who participates in Sage’s behavioural science subgroup

 

. “It looks like the government judges that the damage to health and healthcare services will be worth the political capital it will gain from this approach,” West said, adding that ministers appear to believe the strategy is now sustainable – unlike last year – because of the vaccine rollout.

 

A large wave of infections, coupled with mass vaccination, would push the UK closer to “herd immunity”, where enough people in the population are resistant to the virus that it no longer spreads.

 

The threshold for herd immunity with the Delta variant is unclear, but scientists estimate that transmission would need to be blocked in about 85% of the population. Ministers have repeatedly denied that achieving herd immunity by letting cases rise is the government’s goal.

 

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