Coronachat - vents, whines, flummoxes & miscellaneous

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1 hour ago, Feierabend said:

Are people really drinking "as never before" just because they are, obviously in the current situation, drinking more at home?

Normally a lot of work related alcohol consumption goes on; the lunch time or after work trip to the winebar or pub, people socialise with friends or family and drink in restaurants, cafes or pubs  and so on. 

Is overall alcohol consumption actually increasing significantly?

 

strictly dangerous half-knowledge/empirical "evidence"--friends saying there's nothing else to do but booze, memes in my social media talking about starting drinking after finishing coffee, in my various FB groups people laughing and joking about how much they're drinking since there's nothing else to do and the world is shit.  Here in RL Berlin too a lot of people I know really seem to be drinking for sport.

 

So, I don't have any official numbers, and maybe they're just drinking more at home instead of bars, maybe they go to bed earlier too, no clue.  Maybe it's jokes, but I have seen/heard from so many corners of the internet that people are starting drinking during the day because they can (and also from RL friends, especially but not limited to my friends in the US).  I would think none of them would drink during a weekday at the office, but with home office or furlough it seems OK to joke-not-really-joking about being drunk earlier and earlier each day.

 

I dunno.

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@dessa_dangerous there is a study underway (joint effort by Charitie &MaxPlank) in Berlin looking at various aspects of mental health and coping mechanisms used (drinking being one of several) and other questions involved on how people experienced/experiencing during these covid times. Right now they are data collecting and the more people who contribute their data the more comprehensive the study. Their website is in English & German (here is the link: https://www.covsocial.de/)

 

Down the track there maybe empirical data supporting your observations - my guess there is some effects of coping mechanisms in various ways, personally though in my circle drinking is not one of them that I am noticing.

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1 hour ago, dessa_dangerous said:

 

Regular and excessive boozing is terrible for your mental and emotional well-being and sometimes your personal relationships.  What do you think, are some of these corona "mental health" casualties also/just too-much booze casualties?  Or am I grossly oversimplifying the matter?  

This surprises me. I was told by my cardio that i must lose weight and I must lose weight now to protect myself from the virus.  Now lost 8kg and fitter than I have ever been.

 

I would assume the more you drink the more weight you put on and the more risk you are from the virus.

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3 hours ago, dessa_dangerous said:

rise in mental health issues, domestic violence, and rising alcohol consumption.  People are drinking like never before at home, apparently.

Is there a chance that the latter is having an effect on the former?  I know that people are bummed that they can't go clubbing or to the movies or out to bars and museums and the like.  But if they're sitting at home quaffing unprecedented amounts of booze, is it any wonder they're depressed and anxious?  Or that their partners are getting on their nerves; latent violence coming to the surface?  I know that alcohol won't explain everything, or even most of it, but could it be a contributing factor? 

I believe it is one of several contributing factors, along with people being stuck at home more for example. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54616688

 

3 hours ago, optimista said:

there is a distinct correlation, of course. Alcohol is a short-term coping mechanism for some, which of course merely aggravates their problems. Downward spiral ensues. For others its chocolate, fags, LSD, anorexia, bulimia, sex, porn, religion, whatever. Should we have a thread entitled "How do you cope?"

Alcohol is also a long term coping mechanism for some. Nothing to do with corona. But worse since corona for sure. 

Anorexia and bulimia though are illnesses, which may have become worse during the pandemic.

 

3 hours ago, Feierabend said:

Is overall alcohol consumption actually increasing significantly?

Certainly it is far less expensive to buy it online from home or from supermarkets rather than in bars, pubs, restaurants etc. So this could have been a contributing factor. People miss the social drinking and over compensate by buying large amounts of cheaper alcoholic drinks for home consumption. 

 

If the prices of alcoholic drinks from shops were to be quintupled, there'd be a significant drop in consumption and everyone would benefit from this health-wise. Those who continue to buy at higher prices provide the country with an important revenue.

 

1 hour ago, RenegadeFurther said:

Now lost 8kg and fitter than I have ever been.

Congratulations.

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My friend is a GP (Hausarzt) in very low income, high crime area of the UK. Her opinion is that alcohol consumption over the last 6 months has increased drastically and causing significant health problems and domestic violence. The worst being alcohol interaction with recreational drugs and prescribed medication, mainly antidepressants.  Alcohol related weight gain and poor nutrition are also a major issues. She’s quick to point out that the the same happens in neighbouring affluent areas too...probably even more so.

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An interesting column on WFM “SURVEY SAYS” ( theme from Family Fued I believe) most people now hate it

 

https://www.greaterfool.ca/2020/10/22/wfw/

 

from the comments section

 

Garth, WFH flexibility and lockdowns are not one in the same. I’m guessing lockdowns are negatively affecting people’s mental health, but work flexibility isn’t the scourge you’re trying to make it out to be. 

The reality is, most people hate their jobs (I’ve seen statistics as high as 85%). Do you really think these underling employees are clamoring to commute daily to stuffy windowless offices with crappy fluorescent lighting so their distrusting micromanaging boss can watch their every move? 

“A minority of 16% like WFH” – Wow, could you provide a source for this?

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9 hours ago, Tim Hortons Man said:

An interesting column on WFM “SURVEY SAYS” ( theme from Family Fued I believe) most people now hate it

 

https://www.greaterfool.ca/2020/10/22/wfw/

 

from the comments section

 

Garth, WFH flexibility and lockdowns are not one in the same. I’m guessing lockdowns are negatively affecting people’s mental health, but work flexibility isn’t the scourge you’re trying to make it out to be. 

The reality is, most people hate their jobs (I’ve seen statistics as high as 85%). Do you really think these underling employees are clamoring to commute daily to stuffy windowless offices with crappy fluorescent lighting so their distrusting micromanaging boss can watch their every move? 

“A minority of 16% like WFH” – Wow, could you provide a source for this?

I bet a great majority of people who do physical work and shift work would love to work from home.

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3 hours ago, Keleth said:

I bet a great majority of people who do physical work and shift work would love to work from home.

Or those who work in labs - such as my daughter who works in the lab of the forensic medicine department of UKE in Hamburg.

I don't see a lab with expensive analysis equipment being set up in our basement!

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4 hours ago, HEM said:

Or those who work in labs - such as my daughter who works in the lab of the forensic medicine department of UKE in Hamburg.

I don't see a lab with expensive analysis equipment being set up in our basement!

Exactly.

But I do wish just sometimes people would STFU about the stress of working from home.

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I worked approx the last 15 years of my working life from home office (in Global Support Services for a major IT supplier).

For me it was great - my direct team colleagues were outside of the local office and in later years both they & my manager were the other side of the pond.

Meant I could work undisturbed for about 6 hours before they woke up.

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3 minutes ago, HEM said:

my manager were the other side of the pond. Meant I could work undisturbed for about 6 hours

I'd say that's the best place for a manager - well out of the way. They say that the most work gets done when the manager isn't there anyway. :)

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I LOVE THIS LADY, not surprisling it went virial. Not surpringly policians tut tuted her. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-south-yorkshire-54668928

 

Anyone falling the insanity in Wales, seems Jeff Bezos bought off the government. Close down all shops and force people to order from him. No wonder he's the 200 billion dollar man. A few scattered protests here and there but the Welsh like all good sheep everywhere are sticking to the rules, I means what growing kids needs new clothing or underware etc :lol:

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14 minutes ago, Tim Hortons Man said:

Close down all shops and force people to order from him. No wonder he's the 200 billion dollar man. A few scattered protests here and there but the Welsh like all good sheep everywhere are sticking to the rules

Shops aren't all closed though in any lockdown and you can still go shopping, hardly anything changes in that respect - it didn't for us. Corona is increasing online orders, yes because non-food shops were closed for a time, but people are also realising that stuff is less expensive online and so have been gradually decreasing the amount they spend in physical stores for years. Corona is just speeding that up.

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22 minutes ago, lunaCH said:

 hardly anything changes in that respect - it didn't for us.

 

 

‘Absolutely ridiculous’: Welsh shoppers stunned as supermarkets close ‘non-essential’ aisles

 

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Shoppers in Wales have reacted with astonishment after supermarkets placed so-called non-essential items behind makeshift metal barriers or covered them with plastic sheeting to prevent their sale.

Photos show products – including baby clothes, cooking utensils, school supplies and bedding downright looped – to comply with Cardiff’s ‘fire-rated’ lockdown.

 

Under the country’s new coronavirus restrictions, all non-essential stores have been closed for 17 days while supermarkets are prohibited from selling anything that is not deemed necessary. Alcohol and cigarettes will still be available.

 

 

As I said Jeff Bezos is laughing all the way to the bank. Once you get used to ordering more and more online the less you go in the shops.

 

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8 minutes ago, Tim Hortons Man said:

Closing off aisles in shops that are open is pathetic. And it's true in that case, it will cause even more online orders. For example a woman complaining that she can't get the microwave from the closed-off aisle, may well order one online. The same thing for kettles etc.

 

It's odd that alcohol and cigarettes are considered essential yet utensils and appliances aren't. Hardly thought out properly. :rolleyes: 

Is this a government thing because they get more tax off alcohol and cigarettes than off kettles and microwaves? :rolleyes:

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