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UK coronavirus death toll passes 40,000, official figures say

 

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The UK death toll from Covid-19 has surpassed 40,000, according to official figures, with almost 10,000 care home residents now having died from coronavirus.

 

The Office for National Statistics said on Tuesday that 35,044 deaths involving Covid-19 were registered in England and Wales up to 9 May. Adding the latest figures for Scotland and Northern Ireland and more up to date fatalities announced daily by the government that occurred in NHS settings, the total official UK death toll now stands at 40,011.

 

The figures cement the UK as the worst-affected country in Europe. Italy has recorded 30,739 deaths, Spain 26,744 and France 26,604, according to data collated by Johns Hopkins University (JHU). Germany has recorded 7,661 deaths.

 

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1 hour ago, Rushrush said:

Not too many UK friends on FB. Follow More UK twitterers but oddly have seen few comments mentions complaints about Boris.  Anyways my impression was that Boris was doing a Trump imitation. Seems that was confirmed. Any idea if it is affecting his poll numbers. 

Here's another FB post that you may have missed...

 

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Malcolm Clark just takes the piss out of Nicola Sturgeon, Scottish leader. Wow brutal  A thread. Is @NicolaSturgeon as shiny and clean on COVID-19 as she's now trying to make out? From her tone of disdain towards @BorisJohnson and his new slogan you'd be forgiven for thinking Scotland was some shining pandemic success. But is it?

 

But moving on haven't seen this discussed yet but my wife has been following the local TV news it seems Germans are just as taken with conspiracy theories and love antivaxers  as much as Americans. The steerage section of the comments gallery is just as nasty as one can expect, fake news to the point that the moderators asked people to be nicer. Next step is turning off the comments. Also there's been the protests breaking out all over Germany over the "restrictions". The part I don't get is Germany has avoided the worse of the lock down. I have friends that have been inside for 7 weeks in Spain. I would go insane if I had to do that!

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If we follow Boris Johnson's advice, coronavirus will spread

 

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For over two months now, Britain’s public health specialists have been asking why the government abandoned the basic infection-control practice of “test, trace, isolate”. Most of us have suggested that a system to do this was a precondition of easing the lockdown. The key words in Boris Johnson’s speech on Sunday were “you should go to work if you can’t work from home”. He made no mention of preparations for tracing and testing contacts of people who test positive for Covid-19. In the plan published today, a newly appointed test and trace taskforce will begin to develop such a system.

 

The countries that have succeeded in taming their coronavirus epidemics – such as South Korea, Taiwan, China, Australia and New Zealand – differ from the UK in many ways. But they all have in common “test, trace, isolate” as the centrepiece of their strategy.

 

The UK government claims to be “following the science”, but it seems the science now needs to catch up with a government that is prioritising concerns about economic damage over epidemic control. The economic damage is clear, and the lockdown will also have knock-on health effects due to unemployment, domestic abuse, and postponed diagnoses and treatments. But if science is the rationale, why not level with the public and show the data that suggests the return to work is now the lesser evil? If there is evidence from modelling that social distancing while at work or commuting – rather than sheltering at home – is sufficient for virus control, let us see it.

 

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3 hours ago, Rushrush said:

But moving on haven't seen this discussed yet but my wife has been following the local TV news it seems Germans are just as taken with conspiracy theories and love antivaxers  as much as Americans. The steerage section of the comments gallery is just as nasty as one can expect, fake news to the point that the moderators asked people to be nicer. Next step is turning off the comments. 

 

I have been following the German news on TV as well and was shocked to see the demonstrations shown, many of them conspiracy theorists with right wing extremists amongst them. Seems it's all spilled over from the US via the Internet. The same stuff Jeremy² posts. 

 

3 hours ago, Rushrush said:

Also there's been the protests breaking out all over Germany over the "restrictions". The part I don't get is Germany has avoided the worse of the lock down. I have friends that have been inside for 7 weeks in Spain. I would go insane if I had to do that!

 

I think these conspiracy fanatics and right wing extremists are using the Corona crisis and the demonstrations against the restricions as an opportunity to demonstrate their beliefs in public. It's worrying. 

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I read today that many people in California are now complaining about the unnecessary tight restrictions because their numbers aren't too bad.

 

The lack of logic is frightening.

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1 minute ago, fraufruit said:

I read today that many people in California are now complaining about the unnecessary tight restrictions because their numbers aren't too bad.

 

The lack of logic is frightening.

Yeah, it's the classic "The parachute has slowed our rate of descent, so let's take it off" mentality.

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Boris Johnson's lockdown easing measures 'dangerous' and more epidemics inevitable, Independent Sage warns

 

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A group of independent scientists has branded Boris Johnson’s easing of the lockdown “dangerous” and warned that further local Covid-19 epidemics are inevitable.

 

Its report accuses the prime minister of not “following the science” as work and society are gradually opened up again, and criticises the limited aim of flattening infections to ensure that the NHS is not “overwhelmed”.

 

“We find this attitude counter-productive and potentially dangerous,” says the Independent Sage group, led by former chief scientific adviser Sir David King.

“Without suppression, we shall inevitably see a more rapid return of local epidemics and face the prospect of further partial or national lockdowns.”

 

The report also strongly criticises the controversial new “stay alert” and “control the virus” messages, saying they must be replaced with much clearer advice “closely linked to action”.

 

Containing 19 detailed recommendations, it will be sent to the prime minister; Patrick Vallance, the current scientific adviser; and the leaders of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

 

Sir David said: “Since the start of the Covid-19 epidemic, the government has told us they are ‘following the science’.

However, in the weeks and months that have followed, it has become increasingly apparent that this is simply not the case.”

 

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The same thing is happening in the red states in the U.S. They are opening too soon and too much.

 

 

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According to a Yahoo Finance analysis of the University of Washington Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) coronavirus death toll model, states with Republican governors are projected to have greater death increases than those with Democratic governors. 

The Yahoo Finance analysis looked at the death toll projections for all 50 states and Washington, D.C., and compared them to the current number of deaths as reported by IHME for consistency. What’s more, the analysis found that Republicans govern roughly 70% of the states in the country with the highest increases in death projections.

Of the top 10 states with the greatest death toll increases, 8 are states with Republican governors. All states in the top 10 are projected to have death tolls that rise well over 150% from their current figures, according to the University of Washington model.

 

 

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Disclaimer - I am not under the impression that any of the modeling is perfect.

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Saw an interview from UK TV with a politician talking about the relaxing of the lockdown ( May have been Hancock).

They were talking about visiting grandparents.

Apparently you can visit your grandparents but only actually meet them 1 at a time and you have to leave 10 mins between visits.

Can anyone actually explain the science behind this ?

 

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This confuses the coronavirus and it doesn't get itself together again for more than 10 minutes.

 

Sorry, best I could do.

 

Sounds like unfounded crap to me.

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6 hours ago, Wulfrun said:

government that is prioritising concerns about economic damage over epidemic control.

Do you think they`ve come to a sudden stop and thought "oh fuck perhaps Brexit wasn`t such a good idea" ?

They were expecting an economic reaction to Brexit but now with Corona thrown in it could be a shitload worse.

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4 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Do you think they`ve come to a sudden stop and thought "oh fuck perhaps Brexit wasn`t such a good idea" ?

 

Nöö

Brexiters don't think

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15 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Saw an interview from UK TV with a politician talking about the relaxing of the lockdown ( May have been Hancock).

 

Hancock is always on the ball and crystal clear about such things.

 

 

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1 hour ago, kiplette said:

This confuses the coronavirus and it doesn't get itself together again for more than 10 minutes.

 

Sorry, best I could do.

 

Sounds like unfounded crap to me.

Hilarious!😂

That reminds me of many years ago when Mick Jagger and co failed to turn up for a radio interview!

The excuse? “ We couldn’t get our act together.“

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