Bildungsgutschein

[Marika Raptor 0]

Hallo all,

 

I from New Zealand living in Berlin. I have been receiving ALG1 from the Arbeitsagentur for the last few months, and for this time have been requesting a Bildungsgutschein from the Arbeitsagentur in order to begin a 2 year Umschulung. They have just told me that they are prepared to give me the bildungsgutschein except for one reason: My Aufenthaltstitel is not for Bildung (I have a Erwerbstätigkeit gestättet Aufenthaltstitel that is not linked to a specific job). 
 

I will fulfil all the requirements for a Bildung visa as soon as I get the contract from the Umschulung school (who are happy to accept me), but I can only get the contract from them once I present the bildungsgutschein. And the Arbeitsagentur don’t want to give me the bildungsgutschein „on the promise“ of me receiving the right Aufenthaltstitel once I have it. 
 

has anyone faced this situation? Or received a bildungsgutschein prior to applying for the Bildung Aufenthaltstitel? 
 

I find it hard to believe that no non-EU people ever receive a bildungsgutschein before getting a Bildung visa, because there’s no other way to get a Bildung visa for the type of course that required a Gutschein. 
 

any advice is appreciated.

 

Marika 
 

 

[engelchen 13,040]

17 minutes ago, Marika Raptor said:

My Aufenthaltstitel is not for Bildung (I have a Erwerbstätigkeit gestättet Aufenthaltstitel that is not linked to a specific job).

 

Under which §?

 

15 minutes ago, Marika Raptor said:

I find it hard to believe that no non-EU people ever receive a bildungsgutschein before getting a Bildung visa, because there’s no other way to get a Bildung visa for the type of course that required a Gutschein.

 

I'm willing to bet that most third country nationals who receive a Bildungsgutschein have a Niederlassungserlaubnis or a dependent permit.

[Marika Raptor 0]

6 hours ago, engelchen said:

 

Under which §?

I‘m not sure - I had a work visa that was limited only to Job, then after two years got it changed to Erwerbstätigkeit gestattet. 
 

6 hours ago, engelchen said:

 

 

I'm willing to bet that most third country nationals who receive a Bildungsgutschein have a Niederlassungserlaubnis or a dependent permit.

 

Yeah I’m starting to think you’re right when I ask around my ‘third party nationals‘ contacts who have received a bildungsgutschein - all were first married to a German 😬

 

I just didn’t get the vibe that it’s really a hard and fast rule of the Arbeitsagentur not to give Bildungsgutscheine out in advance of a visa change. They spent months thinking about it and at times seemed like it would be ok. I just don’t want my *dreams* to fall prey to a potentially arbitrary decision. Hmmm. 
 

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts

 

 

[engelchen 13,040]

11 hours ago, Marika Raptor said:

I‘m not sure - I had a work visa that was limited only to Job, then after two years got it changed to Erwerbstätigkeit gestattet. 
 

 

If you came just  Then it is probably §18.

 

11 hours ago, Marika Raptor said:

I just didn’t get the vibe that it’s really a hard and fast rule of the Arbeitsagentur not to give Bildungsgutscheine out in advance of a visa change. They spent months thinking about it and at times seemed like it would be ok.

 

They probably have never had the issue before and didn't know what to do.

 

11 hours ago, Marika Raptor said:

 

I just don’t want my *dreams* to fall prey to a potentially arbitrary decision. Hmmm. 
 

 

It is not that arbitrary. You received a residence permit to work and if that is your only purpose to live in Germany, you are not entitled to extensive further training at the expense of taxpayers.  

 

Have you asked at the ABH if they'd be willing to change your permit? 

[Marika Raptor 0]

23 hours ago, engelchen said:

Have you asked at the ABH if they'd be willing to change your permit? 

This is what I’m working on currently