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Moving to Hamburg Area, request for a few pointers and general advice

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Hi All,

 

I have also posted this in the Hamburg and the Niedersachsen forums as they will be equally relevant areas (Mods please delete if I shouldn't duplicate posts in this way). I've just accepted a job offer and I'm preparing to move to the Hamburg area in the next few months, from Stuttgart, where I have been based for a number of years. I am in the process of looking for a house to live in. When I was up last week for the interview, I took the opportunity to drive around the area a bit, and we're settling on living in the either a north-of-the-river area (Pinneberg/Halstenbek/Wedel) or a south-of-the-river area (somewhere along the B73 between Neu Wulmsdorf and Dollern/Stade) - This puts my employer geographically in the middle of the search area and avoids the silly prices of Blankenese.

 

The reason for the post is that some of the "Moving to Hamburg" posts on here are quite old and I'm wondering how relevant they still are.

 

I've done the usual Immobielienscout / Immowelt searches, but I know there are always "more" in Germany, such as local news papers / local knowledge.

 

Can any one local help me out with some links to good places to look for houses that may not be more widely advertised?

 

Also does anyone have any experience with a Makler they could recommend? We're not finding any offerings that are 100% ideal at the moment, but that's because we have three kids and, what I am finding (when I find a "suitable" house) is that is has been split into two appartments of two bedrooms. So I'm thinking about trying the Makler route, as you can grab the exposes that don't make it to Immobielienscout / Immowelt.

 

Thanks, in advance, and I look forward to getting to know some of you at a meet up or similar!

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3 hours ago, Fly_By_Night said:

 (Mods please delete if I shouldn't duplicate posts in this way)

 

You should not...

 

We lived 30+ years ago in a flat in Wedel & live now on the outskirts of Pinneberg.

For us house prices in Wedel were off (our) limits.

Basically anything within easy distance of a S-Bahn station will be expensive.  We are a 10-15 minute drive to Pinneberg S-Bahn and initially there was not Supermarket within walking/cycling distance - which is why we were able to afford the house here back then.

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You'll need to decide whether to live north or south of the Elbe.

It's a pain to cross the river every day to get to work.

 

The motorway tunnel on the A7 is mayhem (especially in the summer.)

as is the junction of motorways joining the A7 (A23 north of Hamburg -- A1 south of Hamburg)

 

The trains all need to go into the centre of Hamburg before dispersing back into the suburbs. 

Or are you one of these people who actually like to be at work at 6am - before the mayhem?

 

Oh and there are car ferries, but they too are featured in the traffic news all too often.

 

Saying that, we're happy in SH - about 1hr on the AKN into Hamburg Hbf.

but still on the A7 if we want to get anywhere else.

 

Sorry, can't help with Makler as we last moved 25yrs ago.

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Where is your future job location? Finkenwerder?

Tend to agree with HH_Sailor about being located on the same side of the Elbe as your job.

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Thanks for the responses guys.

 

Yes, the job will be Finkenwerder. So I understand the foot ferry from Teufelsbrücke to the Finkenwerder site is very useful and that would be the plan if we're north of the river.

 

South of the river, for sure I'll need a second car for the family, which is ok, but a more expensive option.

 

2 hours ago, HH_Sailor said:

It's a pain to cross the river every day to get to work.

 

HH_Sailor, I'd picked that up for using the A7. So when I drove for my interview last week, I could see, even at 11:00 in the morning, it's not a fun piece of road.

 

Are the foot ferries ok? Or do you include those in your statement, about crossing the river, too?

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10 hours ago, Fly_By_Night said:

Yes, the job will be Finkenwerder. So I understand the foot ferry from Teufelsbrücke to the Finkenwerder site is very useful and that would be the plan if we're north of the river.

I do know a number of Airbus employees who live North of the river & take the foot ferry from Teufelsbrück to the Airbus site.

 

Our son is currently about to start building a house in Horneburg (Niedersachsen) as he claims prices North of the river but within good commute to Hamburg are unpayable (he works near Jungfernstieg).  Horneburg has S-Bahn connection (said not to be sooo reliable).

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11 hours ago, Fly_By_Night said:

Are the foot ferries ok? Or do you include those in your statement, about crossing the river, too?

 

There is an Airbus only ferry from Teufelsbrück direct to the works entrance.

Your job needs to start and end in line with the ferry times.

Otherwise you'll need a bus to go around the river.

So overtime / shift work / special project will lengthen your day.

 

The ferry from Hamburg centre (Landungsbrücken via Finkenwerder) would take too long

for everyday travel.

 

Of course, as a sailor I relish the water travel, and makes for a fresh air start to the day.

But it will add  time to your daily travel plan.

And how do you get to Teufelsbrück? Car parking there is limited (unless there is a special

Airbus car park of which I am unaware). The ferry point is stiff walk from the nearest S-bahn.

Bus stops at the ferry point - so that would be my choice.

 

Maybe it would be prudent to rent somewhere until you can decide on a property to purchase 

based on your own experiences of commuting, schools, socialising and the job itself?

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Our son is currently about to start building a house in Horneburg (Niedersachsen)

 

I sympathise with your son. The prices are high, but if it makes you feel better, a bit cheaper than Stuttgart or Munich. We were thinking of buying, as we have an appatment to sell here in Stuttgart, but decided to rent for the first couple of years. Hamburg seems a different beast to Stuttgart, and so we need to time to understand her, consequently if we buy and make the wrong choice we will have less options than if we rent in the wrong place. I can see why Wedel/Rissen(Pinneberg are popular, a rural-ish setting but very easy access to the city. My only real worry about the south is the feeling of being more cut off from things, e.g. the airport, city-access and other "comfortable infrastructure".

 

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I do know a number of Airbus employees who live North of the river & take the foot ferry from Teufelsbrück to the Airbus site.

 

With regard to the expensive north of the river, by renting we're thinking we can possibly adsorb a higher cost against the additional car requirement of the south. But with that said, we haven't yet discounted the south... it'll come down to total monthly budget at the end of the day. Horneburg is nice, I drove through there last Friday on my "reconnisance tour" and a place where we would think about buying/building in a few years. In addition my kids are of KiTa age, and my current understanding is that Hamburg (Kreis) the KiTas are free but you have to pay in SH or NS; my wife is checking this as she is "flussig in deutsch" (well I hope she is, she is German :D )

 

 

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13 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said:

Of course, as a sailor I relish the water travel, and makes for a fresh air start to the day.

 

You made me laugh with this comment. Last night, I jokingly said to my wife we should buy a crap house with a piece of land + boat mooring, north of Jork (We saw this advertised) then buy a boat and I'll commute along the river. :D

 

17 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said:

And how do you get to Teufelsbrück?

 

I'm aware of the lack of parking, so I've been carefully checking possible locations against bus connections. If I'm stuck to S-bahn, I'm thinking perhaps buy a cheap bike to ride between the S-bahn station and teufelsbrüke - but not sure how feasible this would be.

 

20 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said:

Maybe it would be prudent to rent somewhere until you can decide on a property to purchase 

 

Yes, agreed, this seems to be where the "project" is heading, especially adding, into the mix, all of the information that you all on here are providing me with.

 

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There are thousands of people that take the different ferries to Airbus and surroundings every day, it's generally considered fine.

It's not the ferry that's the issue, it's getting there.

 

There is no free parking spots after 06:00 (or 05:30 even) so you'll have to bike/public transport in, show up super early, or try to park in the "neighborhood" somewhere and walk the last 1-2 km (my old boss had a folding bike in her trunk).

There is the dedicated bus (E86) from Altona that leaves every 7 minutes. There is the 21 from Klein Flottbek(and beyond), the 286 from Blankenese/Othmarschen(and beyond) and the 36 schnellbus from Altona/Blankenese (and beyond).

Getting dropped off isn't really recommended with the large volume of buses where you want to disembark, but there are enough red lights/foot crossings where I've seen people jump out of barely-stopped cars.

 

Alternatively, if you can get to Neumühlen/Övelgönne easily - especially by bike - it is an easy skip to Airbus or the ATP area (where the subcontractors are) from there as well.

And a lot less Airbus (and associated) personnel on that ferry (though far more tourists in the summer months).

 

Acceptable locations to live are with a decent connection to Altona/Blankenese/those buslines.
Hell, theoretically the train from Elmshorn is 20 minutes and you exit in front of a bus that leaves every 7 minutes. Your commute would be better than my colleague from Bergedorf, which is technically Hamburg.

 

My 20 minute commute through that tunnel has regularly taken far longer (I've quit that, might be a lot better now)

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1 hour ago, Fly_By_Night said:

I can see why Wedel/Rissen(Pinneberg are popular, a rural-ish setting but very easy access to the city. My only real worry about the south is the feeling of being more cut off from things, e.g. the airport, city-access and other "comfortable infrastructure".

As I wrote we live on the North-West outskirts of Pinneberg. 

I'm a glider pilot & if I were setting up afresh here I'd be looking to live South of the river where the thermals are better & the airspace less restrictive!

 

 

53 minutes ago, Maarsch said:

Hell, theoretically the train from Elmshorn is 20 minutes and you exit in front of a bus that leaves every 7 minutes. Your commute would be better than my colleague from Bergedorf, which is technically Hamburg.

About 20 years ago I was often on the Airbus (Finkenwerder) site to service some large computers there.

At one stage I was talking to a finance guy from Airbus (probably about extending the maintenance contract) & he commuted from Elmshorn.

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1 hour ago, Fly_By_Night said:

You made me laugh with this comment. Last night, I jokingly said to my wife we should buy a crap house with a piece of land + boat mooring, north of Jork (We saw this advertised) then buy a boat and I'll commute along the river. :D

 

 

 

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Cities such as Amsterdam, Copenhagen or Paris are usually associated with houseboats, less often German cities. In Hamburg there are more houseboats than one might think: Museum, hotel and residential ships in the river system of the Bille, floating port industries and even a floating church.

(Translated by deepl.com)

 

Well there are house boats in Hamburg...

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1 hour ago, Maarsch said:

Hell, theoretically the train from Elmshorn is 20 minutes and you exit in front of a bus that leaves every 7 minutes.

 

31 minutes ago, HEM said:

he commuted from Elmshorn.

 

This is a brilliant discussion... Elmshorn wasn't even on my radar, but as this discussion progresses, I can play around on google and the HVV site... Yes, I've found the X86 bus, and if I line up with that, suddenly the commute from Elmshorn is about the same as the commute from places much closer!!!

 

I'm going to look at this further.

 

34 minutes ago, HEM said:

I'm a glider pilot & if I were setting up afresh here I'd be looking to live South of the river where the thermals are better & the airspace less restrictive!

 

Uetersen? By chance.

 

I fly ultralights/small 2 seater prop jobs.

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Uetersen has high crime rate as per one of my police acquitance .

I would not recommend Uetersen. Elmshorn is really nice and it has all the amenities that one would need.

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2 hours ago, Fly_By_Night said:

Uetersen? By chance.

 

I fly ultralights/small 2 seater prop jobs.

YES  I'm a member of Luftsportverein Kreis Pinneberg (we fly sailplanes).

Several club members work at Airbus.

I believe that there are ultralights available for hire at the airfield.

 

 

29 minutes ago, decow said:

Uetersen has high crime rate as per one of my police acquitance .

I would not recommend Uetersen. Elmshorn is really nice and it has all the amenities that one would need.

He wasn't looking to live in Uetersen (I would not want to either).

He had found the airfield "Uetersen-Heist"  EDHE.

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I've discounted Ueteresen, but because of the fact that the public transport isn't great for me. If I end up north of the river, I'd like to use the ferry to cross the Elbe from Teufelsbrüke, and that seems fidlly to get to. It seems better to be closer to the S-bahn.

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