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What is it you are trying to demonstrate or prove here?

 

smear smear smear.... thats all you bring to this forum.. 

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19 hours ago, silty1 said:

 

Attracted to bent-over walker-pushing shufflers whose facial skin looks like boiled cheese?  

 

He only became a bent over walker pusher when he first entered the courtroom. :rolleyes:

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22 hours ago, fraufruit said:

It might be easy for some women to be attracted to unattractive but rich and powerful men. The game changes after they get raped.

One would think rape would be a game-changer, but it seems that accusers in the trial had sent Weinstein friendly e-mails after the assaults/rapes. I find it hard to understand why someone would do that or go back for more, especially if they weren't married to or partnered with the rapist, dependent on them for a roof over their head or wanting to keep a family together because the rapist was the father of their children.
 

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Why did Mann and Haley maintain friendly contact with Weinstein after, they say, he assaulted them?

The defense built much of its case on this very question, insisting that Mann, Haley and the four “Molineaux” witnesses, including Sciora, used Weinstein for party invitations, business contacts and career advancement. The seemingly unending barrage of friendly, even affectionate emails sent to Weinstein by Mann (“miss you, big guy”) and Haley suggest, defense attorneys repeatedly asserted, that they were the users, not Weinstein. Only in the “alternative universe” created by the prosecution, said Rotunno, “is helping someone land a job a bad thing.”

 

“All the real-time communication, all the documented evidence, would make any reasonable person say that Miriam Haley and Harvey Weinstein were in a relationship,” Rotunno said in her closing argument. Only later, she said, did Haley decide to “rename and relabel” the relationship.

 

But the prosecution, repeatedly citing expert testimony that rape victims often maintain contact with their abusers, insist the continued, after-the-fact contact is irrelevant, with Illuzzi portraying Weinstein as the one who made sure to keep the young women nearby, emotionally if not physically, “to make sure that one day they won’t step out of the shadows and accuse him of what he was” — an “abusive rapist.”

 

As for those Oscar party invitations and movie premieres accepted by the women, Illuzzi said such networking was the lifeblood of “navigating a very difficult industry.”

https://deadline.com/2020/02/harvey-weinstein-rape-trial-jury-questions-deliberations-1202861471/

 

 

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Sleeping your way to the top was allowed to become normal, and no doubt many took advantage of that in both directions, but at the end of the day, the one with power is the one who is going to come out worse in court, and perhaps now the whole culture of offering and accepting sex as a bribe will lessen, and that can only be a good thing. There must be lots of people who have 'willingly' gone down that route and regretted it after. How much free will is involved when you think it's the only way to keep your job?  

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On 3/12/2020, 3:47:55, kiplette said:

Sleeping your way to the top was allowed to become normal, and no doubt many took advantage of that in both directions, but at the end of the day, the one with power is the one who is going to come out worse in court, and perhaps now the whole culture of offering and accepting sex as a bribe will lessen, and that can only be a good thing. There must be lots of people who have 'willingly' gone down that route and regretted it after. How much free will is involved when you think it's the only way to keep your job?  

 

Good point. If we are concerned about free will, then it should not be accepted in society that women feel pressured to offer sex for a job. It should be based solely on talent. But one can look at it from many angles - not all women may be willing to play 'by the rules'. Could it be that some women cheat the system by offering sex to beat their competitors? The narrative is that it's been always assumed that the men hold all the power in these scenarios and therefore created and normalized this expectation in that industry, and this is probably more likely. But then again, all it takes is one woman to break the social contract with the sisterhood to get ahead...

 

 

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On 11.3.2020, 18:31:09, jeremytwo said:

Now how long will "chomos" like Weinstein last in prison? Shaun's Youtube channel is fascinating. Weinstein has a "KOS" on his head immediately, meaning "Kill On Sight". he will not live long. 

 

Shaun is an expert on US prisons, having spent 6 years in San Quentin for ecstasy trafficking in the 90s. 

 

 

Rikers is a brutal place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably do an Epstein and be suicided.

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Someone may have posted this already in the Coronavirus thread but I've only just seen it.

 

Harvey Weinstein tests positive for coronavirus

 

"Disgraced movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has tested positive for the coronavirus in prison — and most likely contracted the disease at Rikers Island, an official briefed on the matter told The Post on Sunday... The state Department of Corrections and Community Supervision wouldn’t confirm or deny Weinstein’s condition, citing federal health-care privacy law, but said that two inmates at Wende had the coronavirus."

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Karma is a beautiful thing.

 

Does anyone understand how Alex Salmond was found not guilty of multiple counts of sexual misconduct against so many women? Did the jury conclude that being a touchy-feely creep and likely much worse was not criminal? Just an unpleasant inconvenience perhaps...

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34 minutes ago, optimista said:

Karma is a beautiful thing.

 

Does anyone understand how Alex Salmond was found not guilty of multiple counts of sexual misconduct against so many women? Did the jury conclude that being a touchy-feely creep and likely much worse was not criminal? Just an unpleasant inconvenience perhaps...

It would seem the evidence was not convincing or perhaps true. Bear in mind Scotland's law allows a verdict of "Not proven" but even that was used only once vs the multiple not guilty verdicts.

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Why would so many women be disbelieved? You cannot make the zombie incident up, truth being stranger than fiction. Their informal arrangement never to be left alone with him says it all, although obviously they couldn't always manage it.

 

I don't think they were actually disbelieved. The incidents - including rape (the mechanics were not disputed, "only" whether or not it was consensual) - were simply not deemed serious enough to be labelled criminal.

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8 hours ago, optimista said:

Why would so many women be disbelieved? You cannot make the zombie incident up, truth being stranger than fiction. Their informal arrangement never to be left alone with him says it all, although obviously they couldn't always manage it.

 

I don't think they were actually disbelieved. The incidents - including rape (the mechanics were not disputed, "only" whether or not it was consensual) - were simply not deemed serious enough to be labelled criminal.

 

I confess I can't explain it either, prior to the trial from what the media had been reporting  it seems he did not have a leg to stand on, none the less a jury including 8 women and a lady judge found him not guilty on all charges except one of not proven. I can't help but wonder if there was more behind this than meets the eye, as the accused claimed, either that or we are dealing with a case of Salem witch trial  like female hysteria which I would hope is highly unlikely.

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Just now, keith2011 said:

"prior to the trial from what the media had been reporting he did not have a leg to stand on"

 

Thank God that is not how things work.

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On 25/03/2020, 17:44:14, optimista said:

Does anyone understand how Alex Salmond was found not guilty of multiple counts of sexual misconduct against so many women? Did the jury conclude that being a touchy-feely creep and likely much worse was not criminal? Just an unpleasant inconvenience perhaps...

 

The jury couldn't have believed that the women's accounts reflected what actually happened (if anything did in all cases). It's not impossible for multiple people not to be telling the truth*, especially with the prospect of making a bit of cash (tens of thousands of pounds in compensation in cases like these),** and the fact that they're women doesn't mean they're more (or less) likely than men to be telling the truth, in my view.

 

* cf. Britons’ fake claims of holiday illness fall as hotels fight back

 

"An epidemic of false food-poisoning claims that has cost hoteliers hundreds of millions of pounds and threatened an end to the all-inclusive package holiday has triggered a ferocious legal fightback from the travel industry. Between 2013 and 2016, a 500% increase in gastric sickness claims by British holidaymakers prompted some hoteliers to warn they would withdraw the holiday deals from the UK market."

 

** cf. A woman who wrongly accused Rolf Harris of groping her when she was eight may have to pay back £22,000 she won from him in compensation

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