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18 hours ago, lisa13 said:

it would be a huge improvement if they would ditch the doors on waiting rooms here. 

 

 

 

I can't think of any waiting rooms I've had the misfortune to have to wait in that had doors and believe me over the last few years I have really done the rounds of just about every *ology (except the Gyn. one) in the book, getting old I guess, that includes A&E and various Xray and CT scans. All without doors!

 

Back on topic, I have to admit the rapid spread of this virus is really giving me concern, just hope the outcomes remain pretty good.

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4 hours ago, jeremytwo said:

Two biowarfare labs exist in Wuhan...

 

The most dangerous biowarfare labs are bats.

Ebola, Sars, rabies viruses to name a few have been found in bats.

In the tropics I would never go in a bat cave.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, AnswerToLife42 said:

 

The most dangerous biowarfare labs are bats.

Ebola, Sars, rabies viruses to name a few have been found in bats.

In the tropics I would never go in a bat cave.

 

 

 

Bats in Europe carry similar things too.  Bat tourism is worse for the bats than it is for the tourists.    

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36 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

 

 

I can't think of any waiting rooms I've had the misfortune to have to wait in that had doors and believe me over the last few years I have really done the rounds of just about every *ology (except the Gyn. one) in the book, getting old I guess, that includes A&E and various Xray and CT scans. All without doors!

 

Back on topic, I have to admit the rapid spread of this virus is really giving me concern, just hope the outcomes remain pretty good.

 

that's strange.  I'd expect some differences between locations but not such a diametrically opposed report from the same city.

 

The only offices I've been to without a door on the waiting room were a radiology clinic and a place that did pre-op health checks, neither of which is likely to have a lot of patients with communicable diseases.  I've been to 6 different HA/general practices and somewhere around 8 different specialists of various types. and all have doors on the waiting rooms.  That, and anytime a member of staff walks by, if the door is open even a crack they close it!   

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3 more cases

 

 

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The infected German man is an employee at Webasto, an automotive parts supplier headquartered near Munich with offices and plants in China. He had caught the virus from a Chinese co-worker, who was visiting the German office from Shanghai for a seminar.

The Chinese employee started to feel ill on her flight home to China on 23 January, authorities said at a press conference on Tuesday, and was confirmed to be infected with the virus.

On Tuesday evening, the German Health Ministry said that the three new cases were connected to the Webasto employee. The Webasto plant near Munich said it will close until further notice.

"There were a total of around 40 employees who have been determined to have been in contact with the [Chinese] woman,” the ministry said. “Those affected will be tested on Wednesday as a precaution."

German airline Lufthansa has so far not suspended direct flights to and from China, but said it was giving flight crews the option to wear protective masks if they prefer.

A Lufthansa spokesman said on Tuesday that the air in the planes is filtered, which removes bacteria, so the risk of infection is low.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

3 more cases

 

 

 

Lufthansa has just suspended all flights to China.

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12 minutes ago, slammer said:

Lufthansa has just suspended all flights to China.

 

Thank goodness. I don't buy their line about plane air having all bacteria filtered out. Nonsense.

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7 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

 

Thank goodness. I don't buy their line about plane air having all bacteria filtered out. Nonsense.

 

Besides, viruses are much smaller particles and harder to filter out than the bigger bacteria.

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3 hours ago, AnswerToLife42 said:

 

The most dangerous biowarfare labs are bats.

Ebola, Sars, rabies viruses to name a few have been found in bats.

In the tropics I would never go in a bat cave.

 

 

2 years ago, there was nipah outbreak in southern india, which was also suspected from fruit eating bats.

It was more dangerous than corona ,as the death ratio was around 90% . And most of the deceased were healthy young adults.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Nipah_virus_outbreak_in_Kerala

I think nCoV is not as serious as that, unless the patient has compromised immunity.

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This is not meant to be "official" advice at all, but I was just at my doc's office to extend my sick note, and I asked her about current handling of suspected coronavirus cases. 

 

She told me that the distinctive symptoms are high fever and bad cough and congestion in the chest from the start (from the lungs of course, not higher up).  She said people with symptoms like this should not be visiting their HA as they are not at all equipped to test for coronavirus - this apparently requires a sputum sample from the lungs, not sure how they get one of those but the HA can't do it - and of course it risks infecting other people.

 

Instead she said it would be better to call 116117 for advice and to arrange a possible home visit.

 

like I said, totally unofficial but sounds like good advice.

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If anyone is interested in what goes on in China, I can recommend ADVCHina channel as well as serpentza.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5XkhUKMDM&t=2368s  Both guys lived for years in China and have Chinese wives. They speak the language and remain in contact with people there. What they said in one video, is that the Chinese government announced that they were closing the Wuhan area hours before they did it and a lot of people left before they got trapped.  They then went on social media, faces covered and announced that they had escaped. That is the typical Chinese attitude of take care of me and the rest of you be damned if I bring the bug to you.

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17 hours ago, LostBetweenCountries said:

At least 8,200 people have died from the flu in the United States this season, including 54 children.

 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/longevity/480089-coronavirus-sparks-panic-as-flu-poses-greater-threat-to

 

Please don´t downplay it, it is dangerous. It is a bad comparison on many levels:

  • 8200 is the aggregated value of many flu types
  • the season began much earlier than this epidemic
  • the fatality rate is much lower on normal flu
  • the expected mutations of the corona virus can make it much more deadly in the near future
  • you become contagious before showing symptoms
  • etc...
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1 hour ago, MikeMelga said:

Please don´t downplay it, it is dangerous. It is a bad comparison on many levels:

  • 8200 is the aggregated value of many flu types
  • the season began much earlier than this epidemic
  • the fatality rate is much lower on normal flu
  • the expected mutations of the corona virus can make it much more deadly in the near future
  • you become contagious before showing symptoms
  • etc...

I will listen to the Ministry of Health.  You can listen to your conspiracy theories if you wish.  I wouldn't want to be in China right now and be elderly, immune suppressed, or a newborn, but no, the sky is not falling.  

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17 hours ago, BradinBayern said:

I will listen to the Ministry of Health.  You can listen to your conspiracy theories if you wish.  I wouldn't want to be in China right now and be elderly, immune suppressed, or a newborn, but no, the sky is not falling.  

What conspiracy theories...? This is basic math.

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28 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

What conspiracy theories...? This is basic math.

Yes, basic math.  8,200 > 213

 

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“When we think about the relative danger of this new coronavirus and influenza, there’s just no comparison,” Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine and health policy at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told Kaiser Health News. “Coronavirus will be a blip on the horizon in comparison. The risk is trivial.”

Health experts warned earlier this month that this flu season could be just as deadly as the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 flu-related deaths were recorded. 

 

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