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Meanwhile my heart continues to break for India. It's as I imagined. The only support most people have is family, so they have to go home to their villages; but the families are usually also poor. They were given four hours notice of the lockdown!!! 


Luckily, the Indian town I call my second home seems to be OK. The town council is feeding the homeless three times a day, I'm told, and the main ashram there anyway serves free lunch for all.

 

But this!

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Coronavirus: India's pandemic lockdown turns into a human tragedy
hundreds of thousands of migrant workers are desperately trying to return home in their own country. Battling hunger and fatigue, they are bound by a collective will to somehow get back to where they belong. Home in the village ensures food and the comfort of the family, they say.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, balticus said:

Don't confuse healthcare financing and healthcare delivery.  

So basically you`re saying that the US has wonderful Doctors,nurses and whatever but that many people don`t have access to that healthcare ?

Apparently 44m people in the US don`t have health insurance so to them no matter how good the healthcare is it`s pretty fucking useless to them.Unless of course they want to bankrupt themselves because I`d hate to imagine how much a few weeks in ICU would cost.

Oh and let`s not forget the people who have health insurance but are probably still going to get into massive debt because of their health insurance.

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21 minutes ago, Keleth said:

 

Apparently 44m people in the US don`t have health insurance so to them no matter how good the healthcare is it`s pretty fucking useless to them.Unless of course they want to bankrupt themselves because I`d hate to imagine how much a few weeks in ICU would cost.

 

 When I worked in the USA briefly I had, what was regarded as, good health insurance but I was lead to believe that it would not fund more than 2-3 days in icu and nobody gets longer! Fortunately I never needed to test it.

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21 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Apparently 44m people in the US don`t have health insurance so to them no matter how good the healthcare is it`s pretty fucking useless to them.Unless of course they want to bankrupt themselves because I`d hate to imagine how much a few weeks in ICU would cost.

Oh and let`s not forget the people who have health insurance but are probably still going to get into massive debt because of their health insurance.

Many people have employer insurance. So when they start getting fired in big numbers, they are also out of coverage!

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Just now, MikeMelga said:

Many people have employer insurance. So when they start getting fired in big numbers, they are also out of coverage!

You mean when they are made unemployed and fall into the public healthcare scheme...oh wait.

Yep definitely nothing wrong with healthcare in the US.

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TBH the healthcare system is one of the few reasons I don´t want to work in America. Otherwise, my fascination with California would have led me to work there for a few years.

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47 minutes ago, balticus said:

Have you ever lived in the US?

Have you ?

Funny so often in thread where something is brought up your stock answer is "I lived there".Damn you`re well travelled.Or a Google expert.

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24 minutes ago, Keleth said:

So basically you`re saying that the US has wonderful Doctors,nurses and whatever but that many people don`t have access to that healthcare ?

Apparently 44m people in the US don`t have health insurance so to them no matter how good the healthcare is it`s pretty fucking useless to them.Unless of course they want to bankrupt themselves because I`d hate to imagine how much a few weeks in ICU would cost.

Oh and let`s not forget the people who have health insurance but are probably still going to get into massive debt because of their health insurance.

 

Have you ever stepped foot in the US?  Have you ever been treated in the US healthcare system?

 

If you don't have any idea, just avoid commenting. 

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I thought it was the lack of venterlators - that will kill most people

USA has/will have a very large number of infected people - there will not be enough venterlators for everybody even if you have health cover

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10 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

TBH the healthcare system is one of the few reasons I don´t want to work in America. Otherwise, my fascination with California would have led me to work there for a few years.

 

And the main reason many expats don't move back. That includes moi.

 

Venitlators schmentilators, the health care system has sucked for as long as I can remember.

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7 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Many people have employer insurance. So when they start getting fired in big numbers, they are also out of coverage!

 

well, sort of.  When you lose your job you can continue your coverage for some period of time under COBRA.  But you have to have the cash to pay the full premiums of course. Last time I had to do that the cost to me was about $700 per month.  BUT it was during the 2008 crisis and Obama's admin subsidized that cost - I don't remember how much I ended up paying out of pocket but it was a couple hundred at least.   No idea if they are subsidizing COBRA as part of the 2 trillion "relief" funds.

 

if you've been out of work long enough to fall into poverty you would qualify for "public" cover under medicaid.  Depends on the state though.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Keleth said:

Have you ?

Funny so often in thread where something is brought up your stock answer is "I lived there".Damn you`re well travelled.Or a Google expert.

 

oh! or a plain old troll?

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just regarding US healthcare...even if you have decent cover and can afford the deductibles, there are insane issues with "in network" vs "out of network" treatment.  Even in the best of times you can end up with insane bills because someone treating you at a hospital was "out of network" in which case you get charged peak prices.  That person can be an ER doc, an anesthesiologist, some kind of specialist, you just never know.  And no they don't tell you prior to treatment.  It's financial roulette to go anywhere near a US hospital.

 

and for anyone who thinks the actual "care" is so great - fuck. no.  It is not.  Regardless of your insurance status (though of course if you're uninsured it's much worse) Don't get me started.

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760 deaths in Italy today, so clearly it is slowly reducing. Still too early to estimate when goes down to zero, as the curve is not descending much yet. Best case is 5 days, but worst case is 3 weeks.

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26 minutes ago, balticus said:

 

 Have you ever been treated in the US healthcare system?

 

I have and in fairness I would say the treatment was very good, much better equipped than the UK and no problem getting appointments to see specialists etc and pretty much on par with Germany. As mentioned earlier though I did have a good health insurance through the company I worked for but even then the excesses (what I had to pay) for out patient treatment were heavy.

This comparison was over a 5 year period when I lived and worked in the 3 countries which was 10 years ago, so I really can't say how things are in the USA these days.

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10 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

I have and in fairness I would say the treatment was very good, much better equipped than the UK and no problem getting appointments to see specialists etc and pretty much on par with Germany.

 

where were you?

 

10 years ago in Boston it took 5 months for an appointment with an orthopedist and 3 months to see my Hausarzt.  If I was sick I was supposed to go to an urgent care clinic and wait for hours.  Planned surgery?  You are kicked out within hours of waking up from GA.  In Pennsylvania, appendix about to burst?  They give you a bucket to puke into in the waiting room, then once admitted (5 hours later) you are left in a hallway on a gurney until an OR opens...the next day.  Also in Pennsylvania, you have all the symptoms of lyme disease and meet every criteria of "high risk exposure".  But your doc refuses to test you.  For two years.  Finally you can get in with another GP (as none are taking new patients) and lo, you have had lyme disease all that time.  And now you have permanent joint damage among other things.  In NY cancer screen delayed for weeks because the machine was "down" and they didn't want to refer to a different facility with a working machine (as they wanted to keep the profit in house) -> untreatable advancement of disease.

 

All of that with full and very good health insurance.

 

All of that and more...Like I said, don't get me started.

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I've been in Idaho and when you can pay for the insurance and the extra costs at the doctor's depending on the insurance you get, then the system is good. I paid much less in Germany on public insurance, but sometimes had to wait a longer time to get in to see a doctor. It's been a shorter time here in Idaho for me. I'd say there are pluses and minuses, but I'd still take German insurance any day.

 

By the way, since this is the corona virus thread, I did just yesterday finally hear of one person I know in the U.S. that has the corona virus, but she's been fighting cancer for a number of years. She's self-isolating at home, so things here (in Idaho) aren't too bad.

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30 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

I have and in fairness I would say the treatment was very good, much better equipped than the UK and no problem getting appointments to see specialists etc and pretty much on par with Germany. As mentioned earlier though I did have a good health insurance through the company I worked for but even then the excesses (what I had to pay) for out patient treatment were heavy.

This comparison was over a 5 year period when I lived and worked in the 3 countries which was 10 years ago, so I really can't say how things are in the USA these days.

 

As far as I know, the public health, e.g. vaccinations and such is pretty good. 

 

From what i have read, the hotspots and number of overcrowded hospitals will be more important than averages.  

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