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16 hours ago, AnswerToLife42 said:

...and there are people who still use public transportation.

 

Think about this - a few more years down the road when we are no longer supposed to have cars & all use public transport.  A playground for infections!

There was a small article in our newspaper today about some group saying that the A26 (Hamburg area) should not be built as all effort should go into public transport...

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8 hours ago, fraufruit said:

So droplets falling down or not. Breath hanging in the air for hours. As I said earlier, just stay the fuck away from people as much as possible. Wear a mask and gloves. Nobody can tell me that a mask isn't better than nothing. 

 

Putting up all this different "science" from different sources doesn't help without a solution.

I´m trying to be among the first customers at the supermarket in the morning. That way at least the droplets had time to fall to the ground over night. It´s probably unnecessary because if that was a major route of transmission I doubt that the Wuhan rate of new cases would have dropped to zero. But I´m an earlybird anyway.

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1 hour ago, jeba said:

I´m trying to be among the first customers at the supermarket in the morning. That way at least the droplets had time to fall to the ground over night. It´s probably unnecessary because if that was a major route of transmission I doubt that the Wuhan rate of new cases would have dropped to zero. But I´m an earlybird anyway.

Better yet, early Monday. Not because of the droplets, but because most of the merchandise has remained untouched at least for 36h, so contamination by touching a plastic bag or cardboard is reduced.

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Why are the various governments reccomending that its citizens make their way back to their homeland?

 

Surely this is promoting the possible further distribution of the virus!

 

Wouldnt it simply be cheaper and safer for them to stay put and get hand-outs from their respective government?

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16 hours ago, jeba said:

University scientists don´t care about money. And this should be a relatively easy question to answer (probably in contrast to how much virus is needed to infect someone).

 

My mom lives in China so I had this virus on my mind a bit earlier than most others. They also had a long dispute there over whether this virus could be airborne; the latest official statement I remember is that it could be airborne under certain special conditions: in a relatively closed environment like inside a bus or cruise ship + with high density of virus around in the air (so lots of sick people) + exposure for a long period of time.Not sure what is considered a "long time" or "high density" though. 

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9 minutes ago, SpiderPig said:

Why are the various governments reccomending that its citizens make their way back to their homeland?

 

Surely this is promoting the possible further distribution of the virus!

 

Wouldnt it simply be cheaper and safer for them to stay put and get hand-outs from their respective government?

 

Good question, you would think that if they are really serious about quarantine that the borders should be closed to everybody. Of course it is now way too late for that anyway, it is very much here, so adding a few more potential victims of CV to the population is not going to make much difference. Cheaper maybe if they were to get ill and need foreign medical attention.

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21 minutes ago, SpiderPig said:

Why are the various governments reccomending that its citizens make their way back to their homeland?

 

Surely this is promoting the possible further distribution of the virus!

 

Wouldnt it simply be cheaper and safer for them to stay put and get hand-outs from their respective government?

I think it is easier to bring them all back now in a batch instead of later receiving individual requests for help.

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1 hour ago, john g. said:

Controversy- should EU migrant workers be allowed into the UK right now to pick fruit and veg?

 

 

Well at present there is no lack of British workers who are available to do the work. The only question is will the wages on offer be enough to make it worth their while? Maybe it is about time that food prices are raised and agricultural workers  get a decent wage. The prices for food will go up anyway as shortages begin to show up!

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3 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

Well at present there is no lack of British workers who are available to work. The only question is will the wages on offer be enough to make it worth their while? Maybe it is about time that food prices are raised and agricultural workers  get a decent wage. The prices for food will go up anyway as shortages begin to show up!

this is a problem not only for the UK. What has it got to do with food prices? The borders are closed which is why there are no fruit-pickers or similar.

I'd draft 1000s of Millwall fans in, who are likely unemployed :P

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1 hour ago, MikeMelga said:

Better yet, early Monday. Not because of the droplets, but because most of the merchandise has remained untouched at least for 36h, so contamination by touching a plastic bag or cardboard is reduced.

Not in Cyprus. Here, supermarkets are open on Sundays.

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1 hour ago, SpiderPig said:

Why are the various governments reccomending that its citizens make their way back to their homeland?

 

Surely this is promoting the possible further distribution of the virus!

 

Wouldnt it simply be cheaper and safer for them to stay put and get hand-outs from their respective government?

That´s what Cyprus is doing. They are paying € 750 to students for staying abroad.

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4 minutes ago, dom said:

The borders are closed which is why there are no fruit-pickers or similar.

 

Just a taste of what's to come with Brexit. 

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59 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

I like how they assume they want to go at all.

Many still do (to Germany at least). I remember a report about Romanian workers being unable to come to Germany because Hungary refused to let them pass and that German authorities were trying to negotiate to have them pass in police-escorted buses (to ensure that they won´t leave the bus during transit).

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1 hour ago, SpiderPig said:

Wouldnt it simply be cheaper and safer for them to stay put and get hand-outs from their respective government?

Possibly safer but definitely not cheaper (For the relevant government).

In general it's cheaper to fly back a healthy person than a sick one, and its cheaper for a person to live in their own house rather than a hotel.

If a person does get sick, a bed in a local hospital is usually cheaper than one in a foreign one.

Lastly if the airlines are not able to carry their normal passenger load because everyone has been told to stay home, then governments chartering planes is a transparent and legal form of state subsidy which may keep them going for a bit longer.

 

To be honest, once there is 'in-country' spreading of the virus, closing borders doesn't make much sense, so it's probably not any safer either.

Test people before they get on a plane to travel then treat them appropriately.

 

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2 minutes ago, pappnase said:

 

Test people before they get on a plane to travel then treat them appropriately.

 

 

You talk like the tests are ready available for everyone and it takes minutes to get a result and they can be trusted 100%.

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