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On 22.11.2019, 15:26:44, MikeMelga said:

If you look carefully, there are no rear view mirrors. Same happened with Model 3 and later they added them for production. Meaning that what you see here is a very simplified prototype.

Tesla has been trying to get rid of the rear view mirrors since they began making cars.  The use of mirrors is really quite silly in the age of inexpensive cameras and screens.  They mess up the aerodynamics. They have been forced to use them because mirrors are "safer".  

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17 minutes ago, BradinBayern said:

They have been forced to use them because mirrors are "safer".  

https://www.slashgear.com/car-camera-side-mirrors-could-finally-get-us-approval-28588955/

 

I wonder if I could retrofit it on my Tesla: a SW update that redirects cameras to the screen when I push the turn signal and I would just remote the appendices.

I´ve seen several cars in China with that. Every time they turn on the blinker, the camera image pops up on screen.

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Not all unions are made alike.  I was rather unhappy with the UAW which seemed more interested in self-preservation than in really paying attention to the needs of the user.  They seemed to invent rules just to piss off the management and to slow down work.  I am now a member of a union that I actually think does a lot of good.  I think a lot of manager in Germany actually have no problem with unions and actually feel a bit lost when they cannot speak to someone who can tell them what the workers are worried about or need.  In Tennessee the management of Volkswagen seemed a bit confused as to why there was such a fuss over unionization 

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8 minutes ago, BradinBayern said:

 In Tennessee the management of Volkswagen seemed a bit confused as to why there was such a fuss over unionization 

Of course he cannot understand, because in most countries Unions are a piece of shit.

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10 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Of course he cannot understand, because in most countries Unions are a piece of shit.

 

 

You mean, the people who fought for our rights as workers are pieces of shit? The ones who gave us 35-40 hours a week contracts, paid holidays, paid sick leaves, and so on?  They are pieces of shit?  People died so we can enjoy all that and you call them pieces of shit.  

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I know it's not nice to criticize other people's babies but that 'cyber' truck is one ug-leeee mofo.

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12 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

 

You mean, the people who fought for our rights as workers are pieces of shit? The ones who gave us 35-40 hours a week contracts, paid holidays, paid sick leaves, and so on?  They are pieces of shit?  People died so we can enjoy all that and you call them pieces of shit.  

He states that applies in "Most countries" I would say. "in some countries" for instance have a look at how Scargill ruined the unions by turning them into not much more than that of a band of thugs.

Methinks that people have forgotten how much power the unions (at least in the 1970ties UK) held and without checks and balances in place unions can totally destroy a countries economy.

It seems to me that Unions could be seen as inherantly communist at worst, socialist at best.

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33 minutes ago, slammer said:

He states that applies in "Most countries" I would say. "in some countries" for instance have a look at how Scargill ruined the unions by turning them into not much more than that of a band of thugs.

Methinks that people have forgotten how much power the unions (at least in the 1970ties UK) held and without checks and balances in place unions can totally destroy a countries economy.

It seems to me that Unions could be seen as inherantly communist at worst, socialist at best.

Exactly! Far left parties took over unions and transformed them into a tool for discontent. This is a typical USSR tactic, that not only lives today, it is even prospering.

In Portugal this is too obvious. The largest union, controlled by the communist party, declare general strikes as they fit politically relevant.

The association with left parties brings the worst of leftist policies: short term sight. They focus on short term gains without considering the long term company viability. So fuck them!

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Whether you agree or disagree with Unions, can you really see a guy like Musk welcoming open armed the unions into a new factory? He will do the absolute minimum req'd by German employment law. 10 years ago I worked for a UK company owned by Americans. First statement - We do not recognise Unions. I then went to work for DHL, a German run business - We respect the Union and expect the Union to work with us. So we have to see how it pans out. By the way I'm with Krieg and if companies learnt to treat their workers with respect and not treat them as bits of shite then there is no need for a Union and then no Scargill and co. But hey, Union's get in the way of greedy selfish bastards using people as a resource to be burnt out, dumped and replaced for their own personal prosperity.

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Bosses have unions disguised under different names. So workers should also have unions. The aim should be to work out differences and agree on good working conditions and mutual respect - you work well, cooperate with fellow employees and want  to do well.

There was too much hatred in the 70s in 1970s UK. Too many Luddites and stupid strikes.

But I DID support the miner´s strike and hated Thatcher etc and put money into Yorkshire guys´buckets in London out of solidarity ..without understanding their accents!

Looking back, I wouldn´t have wanted my son to work in a fucking coal mine out of family tradition.

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3 hours ago, AdHa said:

I know it's not nice to criticize other people's babies but that 'cyber' truck is one ug-leeee mofo.

So are bulldogs - but people still like them.  Sometimes things are so ugly that they become cute again.

I would rather drive an ugly mofo with class than a frickin' minivan...

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2 hours ago, French bean said:

He will do the absolute minimum req'd by German employment law.

 

Just like every other businessperson.

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4 hours ago, French bean said:

Whether you agree or disagree with Unions, can you really see a guy like Musk welcoming open armed the unions into a new factory? He will do the absolute minimum req'd by German employment law. 10 years ago I worked for a UK company owned by Americans. First statement - We do not recognise Unions. I then went to work for DHL, a German run business - We respect the Union and expect the Union to work with us. So we have to see how it pans out. By the way I'm with Krieg and if companies learnt to treat their workers with respect and not treat them as bits of shite then there is no need for a Union and then no Scargill and co. But hey, Union's get in the way of greedy selfish bastards using people as a resource to be burnt out, dumped and replaced for their own personal prosperity.

I've worked in 3 different tech companies. Never had an Union. Was never treated with disrespect. This is the norm in tech companies. Tesla has its tech company background. Most workers don't expect and don't want a Union. In several countries Unions don't work together with the company. They work to protect the union's representative jobs and to protect the union's political party. Maybe it is different in Germany, but so many things are different here.

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13 hours ago, BradinBayern said:

Seats six and you can haul shit and does not drive and park like a battleship?  Who cares what it looks like.  

Can never understand people who buy something that is often an inferior product just because of the looks.

6 hours ago, fraufruit said:

Just like every other businessperson.

Yep however because of unions that minimum is not too bad unlike some other countries.

10 hours ago, slammer said:

Scargill ruined the unions by turning them into not much more than that of a band of thugs

And on the other side we had Thatcher.2 peas in a pod just with totally different political views.

10 hours ago, slammer said:

Methinks that people have forgotten how much power the unions (at least in the 1970ties UK) held and without checks and balances in place unions can totally destroy a countries economy.

So can businesses though.

I don`t remember it being unions that caused the last crisis.

Businesses also need checks and balances and the only people that hold them to them is unions because it has been shown  govt regulations aren`t able to do it.

 

 

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3 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

I've worked in 3 different tech companies. Never had an Union. Was never treated with disrespect. This is the norm in tech companies. Tesla has its tech company background. Most workers don't expect and don't want a Union. In several countries Unions don't work together with the company. They work to protect the union's representative jobs and to protect the union's political party. Maybe it is different in Germany, but so many things are different here.

Maybe the gaming industry is too lowbrow of a tech industry for you but

https://time.com/5603329/e3-video-game-creators-union/

 

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5 hours ago, Keleth said:

Maybe the gaming industry is too lowbrow of a tech industry for you but

https://time.com/5603329/e3-video-game-creators-union/

 

Gaming industry workers suffer from a simple problem: they want so bad to work on it that they would work for free.

I know 4 guys that literally worked for free for a few years for a gaming company because that´s what they wanted to do for life.

When you have that kind of crowd, of course companies will abuse them.

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14 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Gaming industry workers suffer from a simple problem: they want so bad to work on it that they would work for free.

I know 4 guys that literally worked for free for a few years for a gaming company because that´s what they wanted to do for life.

When you have that kind of crowd, of course companies will abuse them.

 

Then your can expand your logic, when minijobs with no minimum income were allowed in Germany the situation in Berlin was pretty bad, tons and tons of full time jobs that paid only 450€.    Companies firing people with normal full time contracts and replacing them with mini-jobbers.  I guess that "kind of crowd" were Selber-Schuld.    Luckily the introduction of minimum wage had a massive positive impact in Berlin.  

 

The truth is, free markets will milk everyone's blood if they are allowed.   And Unions have been fighting for our rights as workers for hundreds of years.   Yes, it might be true that in some countries unions have become abusive, but that's not a reason to say they are all pieces of shit.    You very naively think that if unions did not exist in your country everything would be much better.  Maybe things would be same crappy and the difference would be that the workers had even less rights, even if the unions themselves are not that good over there.

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18 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Gaming industry workers suffer from a simple problem: they want so bad to work on it that they would work for free.

 

This is exactly the problem.

 

6 hours ago, Keleth said:

Maybe the gaming industry is too lowbrow of a tech industry for you but

 

This is exactly the opposite of the problem, its an industry where everyone dreams of working.

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