Posted 16 May 2020 https://www.bloomberg.com › articles Tesla to Cut Model 3 Price in China to Qualify for Subsidies - Bloomberg 29 Apr 2020 · Tesla Inc. will cut the price of its standard-range Model 3 in China for the second time this year so it can continue to qualify for ... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 Woh, this could be a huge thing for Tesla: https://electrek.co/2020/05/19/tesla-bidirectional-charging-ready-game-changing-features/ It seems that for some time the Model 3 has a built in capability of bidirectional charging, which could be activated by a SW update. Although there is nothing new with this technology (other cars have it), the point here is how Tesla thinks stuff. While other manufacturers have it and just sit and wait for someone to make it work on large scale, I suspect Tesla will use this as a great advantage in entering the energy supply market. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52533224 My assumption: as soon as they reach critical mass in each country, they will apply to become an energy provider. They will use their cars, their solar panels, their batteries to make a huge profit on selling energy back to the grid, disrupting yet another business area. With synergies, they can give good price discounts for charging Tesla vehicles, and even share part of the resell value, therefore creating appeal for owners to buy them. This is probably the reason that they kept it hidden: as soon as they reach critical mass, they become a big player overnight, and nobody saw it coming. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 On 5/16/2020, 3:08:15, burningtiger said: If you into into and want to see trucks this might be the one for you https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-MtJ3t_p_Ww. I must say that that was more about scale of construction which is awesome and going to transform the region. Oh I can understand watching it when they`re actually in the middle of building it but not when just a couple of trucks are driving around on an empty baustelle. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 If this goes through the number of EVs on the road will skyrocket. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 VW aiming for under 30k for an ev https://finanzmarktwelt.de/volkswagen-attackiert-tesla-mit-guenstigerem-modell-id-3-167634/ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 So are many,many others: SEAT Mii electric › Elektro › 260 km Reichweite 20.650 € Skoda Citigo e iV › Elektro › 265 km Reichweite 20.950 € VW e-up! (2019) › Elektro › 260 km Reichweite 22.975 € Renault Zoe Z.E. 50 (R110) › Elektro › 395 km Reichweite 29.990 € Renault Zoe R90 › Elektro › 316 km Reichweite 29.900 € VW e-up! (2020) › Elektro › 180 km Reichweite 21.975 € VW ID.3 Pure (45 kWh) › Elektro › 330 km Reichweite 29.900 € VW ABT E-Caddy › Elektro › 90 km Reichweite 24.544 € Skoda Octavia 4 Plug-in Hybrid 1,4 TSI › Plug-In Hybrid mehr Details 28.060 € Micro Microlino › Elektro › 125 km Reichweite 12.000 € Opel Corsa-e › Elektro › 330 km Reichweite 29.900 € smart EQ forfour (2018) › Elektro › 155 km Reichweite 22.600 € Renault Twizy Life (2-Sitzer) › Elektro › 90 km Reichweite 7.650 € CITROËN C-Zero › Elektro › 100 km Reichweite 21.800 € smart EQ fortwo (2020) smart EQ fortwo (2020) › Elektro › 159 km Reichweite 21.940 € smart EQ fortwo (2018) › Elektro › 155 km Reichweite 21.940 € Renault Twizy 45 Life (2-Sitzer) › Elektro › 100 km Reichweite 6.950 € e.GO Life 60 › Elektro › 139 km Reichweite 21.900 € Artega Karo-Isetta › Elektro › 200 km Reichweite 17.995 € CITROËN E-Mehari › Elektro › 195 km Reichweite 24.790 € Sono Motors Sion › Elektro › 255 km Reichweite 25.500 € e.GO Life 20 › Elektro › 100 km Reichweite 17.900 € Peugeot iOn (2018) › Elektro › 150 km Reichweite 21.800 € Renault Twingo Z.E. › Elektro › 180 km Reichweite 21.500 € Uniti One › Elektro › 150 km Reichweite 17.767 € CITROËN Berlingo Electric L2 › Elektro › 170 km Reichweite 25.883 € Renault Twizy Intense (2-Sitzer) › Elektro › 90 km Reichweite 8.700 € smart EQ fortwo cabrio (2020) › Elektro › 157 km Reichweite 25.200 € smart EQ forfour (2020) › Elektro › 153 km Reichweite 22.600 € e.GO Life 40 › Elektro › 113 km Reichweite 19.400 € Peugeot Partner Electric Kastenwagen L2 › Elektro › 170 km Reichweite 26.585 € Renault Twizy Cargo (1-Sitzer) › Elektro › 90 km Reichweite 8.930 € smart EQ fortwo cabrio (2018) › Elektro › 155 km Reichweite 25.200 € CITROËN Berlingo Electric L1 › Elektro › 170 km Reichweite 24.633 € Renault Twizy 45 Cargo (1-Sitzer) › Elektro › 100 km Reichweite 8.230 € Peugeot Partner Electric Kastenwagen L1 › Elektro › 170 km Reichweite 25.335 € ... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 All well and good but there are going to have to be a lot more charging stations for a lot more people to buy them. Just not convenient now except for people who own their own houses or have enough of them at work. And don't tell me to go buy groceries to charge my car for 20 min. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 Too, true but they do seem to be popping up more and more... https://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/Deutschland/Muenchen/ and charging times are decreasing. I'm all for going stink free and, so it seems, is the Regierung: "Mehr Ladestationen für Elektroautos" Quote "Wer sein E-Auto nicht laden kann, wird sich keins kaufen. Deshalb sollen in Deutschland bis 2030 eine Million öffentliche Ladepunkte entstehen. Um die Elektromobilität auf den Massenmarkt zu führen, hat das Bundeskabinett nun einen Masterplan beschlossen." https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/ladeinfrakstruktur-1692644 Add on Ladestationenen for local Gouvernement, the BMW/Merc agreement, eon et. al. and the Tesla charger network, slowly but surely things are moving in the right direction... ...I would like to hope 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 @Janx Spirit, problem in Germany is that fees for charging stations are crazy high! 50-70c per kwh! While Tesla Supercharger is charging 33c! At 70c electric is not cheaper per km than a diesel. Of course at home you get 25-33c per kwh. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 20 May 2020 3 hours ago, CincyInDE said: If this goes through the number of EVs on the road will skyrocket. At least considering Tesla and Nissan, the current problem is supply, not demand. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 "Electric Vehicle Outlook 2020" Quote The Electric Vehicle Outlook is BloombergNEF’s annual long-term forecast of how electrification, shared mobility and autonomous driving will impact road transport from now out to 2040. It covers light duty passenger vehicles, commercial vehicles, buses, and two/three-wheeled vehicles. The report draws on our team of specialists around the world and looks at how these trends will impact the automotive, energy, infrastructure, and battery materials markets over the next 20 years. Passenger EV sales jumped from 450,000 in 2015 to 2.1 million in 2019. They will drop in 2020 before continuing to rise as battery prices fall, energy density improves, more charging infrastructure is built, and sales spread to new markets. The electric share of total vehicle sales is still small, but it is rising fast. By 2040, over half of all passenger vehicles sold will be electric. Markets like China and parts of Europe achieve much higher penetrations, but lower adoption in emerging markets reduces the global average. https://about.bnef.com/electric-vehicle-outlook/ 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 On 5/20/2020, 7:04:09, Janx Spirit said: So are many,many others: SEAT Mii electric › Elektro › 260 km Reichweite 20.650 € ... You seem to have missed my favorite The Hyundai KONA Elektro this can offer almost the same range of the Tesla, for almost half the price 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 10 minutes ago, yesterday said: You seem to have missed my favorite The Hyundai KONA Elektro this can offer almost the same range of the Tesla, for almost half the price ...and half the acceleration, technology and coolness 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 26 minutes ago, yesterday said: The Hyundai KONA Elektro KONA ? Isn't that a coffee machine ? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 22 minutes ago, Janx Spirit said: ...and half the acceleration, technology and coolness for an older person like myself, I value range over coolness, but everyone buys for different reasons One more acceleration in less than 4 secs could be the end of me , probably not thou 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 37 minutes ago, Janx Spirit said: ...and half the acceleration, technology and coolness Yer it`s not the penis extension many Tesla owners think their cars are 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 27 minutes ago, HH_Sailor said: KONA ? Isn't that a coffee machine ? Means "cunt" in Portuguese 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 7 minutes ago, Keleth said: Yer it`s not the penis extension many Tesla owners think their cars are Penis extensions make noise... Teslas don't... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 59 minutes ago, yesterday said: You seem to have missed my favorite The Hyundai KONA Elektro this can offer almost the same range of the Tesla, for almost half the price It has very decent specs, but it it definitely NOT half the price, it's about the same price. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted 21 May 2020 9 minutes ago, Keleth said: Yer it`s not the penis extension many Tesla owners think their cars are Because women aren't allowed to own Teslas or what? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
