Berlin to get a Tesla Gigafactory

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If this comes to fruition it could be a massive boost to the regional economy. Electric vehicles are here to stay. This could genuinely bring with it an entire ecosystem of innovation. If Berlin-Brandenburg can establish itself in this sector it could radically alter things. Fingers crossed Elon wasn't just smoking a funny fag when he came up with this though it sounds like there have been serious discussions with Brandenburg about it with Tesla being shown several sites and them choosing Freienbrink, which was apparently in the running for a BMW factory that went elsewhere about 18 years ago.

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2 hours ago, murphaph said:

 and them choosing Freienbrink, which was apparently in the running for a BMW factory that went elsewhere about 18 years ago.

 

Why did BMW go elsewhere?

 

Because BMW were faced with opposition over the proposal of having to cut down large amounts of forestation in order to build the site, for this reason BMW ended up building a site with far less environmental impact in Leipzig.

 

In order for Tesla to build their site they will have to cut down 70 Hectares of Forest destroying the homes of Tree falcon's, Bats and a rare species of reptile.

 

Isn't it ironic that in order to build something environmentally friendly you have to destroy the environment first. 

 

and don't start me off on the story that this is going to be a massive boost for the economy because it's quite the opposite.

 

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I’m not an expert, but according to my environmental engineering students, electric cars aren’t environmentally friendly at all, due to the lithium batteries required to run them. 

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4 minutes ago, Santitas said:

I’m not an expert, but according to my environmental engineering students, electric cars aren’t environmentally friendly at all, due to the lithium batteries required to run them. 

 

Ssssh, dont look at the man behind the curtain.  This is a feelgood story about the middle classes being able to drive nice cars, dont spoil it with facts.

 

6 hours ago, Sir Percy B said:

In order for Tesla to build their site they will have to cut down 70 Hectares of Forest destroying the homes of Tree falcon's, Bats and a rare species of reptile.

 

Same to you, I dont see the bats doing their part to reduce their CO2 footprint.  Flying rats, they can have their forest back when they start reducing the amount they fly. 

 

As long as I get my sports car with a green sticker...

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Don't wish to pee on Mr Musks's bonfire and be the little boy in "The Emperor's New Clothes" but...

 

All these Teslas and poor little Greta etc kind of ignore something. Resources. These batteries require lithium which is mined in the third world by child labour. Also, with the utter cock up of Germany's energy policy by Angie (shutting down the nuclear reactors in 2011 after the Fukushima disaster was utterly stupid) - from where is the energy going to come from in the next 20 years? Germany has none of its own and the Dutch gas superfield is about to run dry.

 

Now you start to understand why Ukraine is one of the most important countries in the world right now.

 

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53 minutes ago, Santitas said:

I’m not an expert, but according to my environmental engineering students, electric cars aren’t environmentally friendly at all, due to the lithium batteries required to run them. 

 

Things are going to get better for EVs, the conservative with the support of the US took down that crazy Evo guy in Bolivia, he was sitting on top of 40% of the world's lithium and not letting anyone mining it because of some lame excuses about the environment.     How are the greens going to save the environment if he was not letting them build the cars that are going to save the environment?  It is ironic it was the conservative who saved that precious lithium so the neo-hippies can have their eco cars.

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56 minutes ago, Santitas said:

I’m not an expert, but according to my environmental engineering students, electric cars aren’t environmentally friendly at all, due to the lithium batteries required to run them. 

That indeed is a major issue along with the fact that the main question is which power supply do you use. Electricity can be produced from environmental friendly resources or not. So if you are driving such a car the equation of environmental friendliness can only be positive if you use  electric power won from environmentally friendly resources. Else you just keep close to the gas run cars.

 

However there are rumors of new batteries beeing developed. I keep my fingers crossed.

Also there is a big discussion on cars with hydrogen fuel cell. This seems to be interesting.

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It didn't take long for the naysayers to show up.  American company brings the latest in technology and highly skilled jobs to Germany and the response is:

 

15 hours ago, Sir Percy B said:

Isn't it ironic that in order to build something environmentally friendly you have to destroy the environment first. 

 

and don't start me off on the story that this is going to be a massive boost for the economy because it's quite the opposite.

 

 

9 hours ago, Santitas said:

electric cars aren’t environmentally friendly at all,

 

8 hours ago, zwiebelfisch said:

a feelgood story about the middle classes being able to drive nice cars, dont spoil it with facts.

 

8 hours ago, jeremytwo said:

Don't wish to pee on Mr Musks's bonfire

 

and then, out of the other side of their mouths, bemoan the lack of high-tech jobs....just can't win.

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Electric cars are the future. The points are set. The environmental arguments against lithium batteries are reasonable but will not change things. An electric car is still far less damaging to the environment over its lifetime than a fossil fuel burning one (assuming the electricity is renewable but cars are the perfect use case for all that wind energy Germany currently exports for free at night). The car sits there doing nothing at night anyway. Perfect time for most people to charge.

 

The forest business is a red herring. That's a forestry. They fell trees there once mature anyway. Tesla can easily buy a cheap tract of land the same size in MV and plant replacement trees. Small beer.

 

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15 hours ago, Sir Percy B said:

 

Isn't it ironic that in order to build something environmentally friendly you have to destroy the environment first. 

The cars themselves may be less harmful than ICE cars but the factories themselves are not yet.

 

I also hope if this does happen that Tesla treat their employees a damn site better than they did in the US.

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5 minutes ago, murphaph said:

The forest business is a red herring. That's a forestry. They fell trees there once mature anyway. Tesla can easily buy a cheap tract of land the same size in MV and plant replacement trees. Small beer.

Why didn`t BMW do this ?

Serious question.

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41 minutes ago, catjones said:

It didn't take long for the naysayers to show up.  American company brings the latest in technology and highly skilled jobs to Germany and the response is:

A lot of the naysaying is in reaction to it being Musk and his reputation especially his relationship with his employees.

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The lithium in Bolivia should be secure after the recent coup.  

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9 hours ago, Santitas said:

I’m not an expert, but according to my environmental engineering students, electric cars aren’t environmentally friendly at all, due to the lithium batteries required to run them. 

They are misinformed. The extra pollution required to build them is offset within a year or two of usage, depending on mileage. This is a myth created by the German media to support the German auto industry.

https://electrek.co/2017/11/01/electric-cars-dirty-electricicty-coal-emission-cleaner-study/

 

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1 hour ago, catjones said:

It didn't take long for the naysayers to show up.  American company brings the latest in technology and highly skilled jobs to Germany and the response is:

 

Highly skilled jobs need highly skilled people, exactly where will these all come from?

 

There's already a shortage of  IT specialists, engineers and craftsmen in the construction industry, experts in aerospace, mechatronics, electrical engineering, energy technology and other STEM professions and you're not going to fill these positions from people living in this corner of Brandenburg.

 

 

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Personally, I prefer his current girlfriend "grimes"

 

This song really is amazing. Good advice too ;) Watch if you dare!

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, balticus said:

The lithium in Bolivia should be secure after the recent coup.  

Funny coincidence that wasn`t it.

20 years ago it would have been a coup in an oil rich country that happened at just the right time.

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4 minutes ago, Anna66 said:

Personally, I prefer his current girlfriend "grimes"

 

This song really is amazing. Good advice too ;) Watch if you dare!

 

 

 

 

 

Fucking hell what did I just listen to

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