Complaint from neighbours about noise from renovation and DIY works

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54 minutes ago, pmd said:

 

Sorry, but then what's the point in having Ruhigzeit? Your power drill is still going to wake up my toddler irrespective of how many times you decide to use it.

Don't get me wrong, I  find the rules to be a pain since my kids are older now but they certainly weren't in the past when both parents and children needed a kip.

 

In the past few years, we only had to politely tell 2 neighbours to stop using garden equipment during Ruhigzeit - both are Rentner who frankly should know better.

 

First, do not shoot the messenger, I don't make the rules.   I understand your precious kid should not be awaken unnecessarily, I am a father of two snowflakes myself.  However, if my neighbor has a problem and something is broken and it is not reasonable to wait after the midday quiet time finishes, I would understand.  That's what's the rules say in most places, as long as it is a single occasion it should be tolerated if it is during the day's quiet time.   Mowing the grass would be totally different to fixing a broken pipe.

 

In some places, like Berlin, the midday quiet time does not exist since long time ago, probably because it doesn't really make sense in cities.  However the midday quiet time can be in your building rules, so in your renting contract.  But since it is a private agreement, when you do not follow it you have to settle it privately.

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1 hour ago, lunaCH said:

Whether a gardener tends to their garden is not our business, you're right. However the garden's plants have to be kept at ground level, according to the deeds. In the past when relations were good they kept this garden well and nothing grew high. Since then their health has deteriorated and relations are not what they were. 

 

I find amazing how your neighbors are supposed to keep their plants according to regulations but you do not want to keep your bush according to regulations.

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Just now, Krieg said:

 

First, do not shoot the messenger, I don't make the rules.   I understand your precious kid should not be awaken unnecessarily, I am a father of two snowflakes myself.  However, if my neighbor has a problem and something is broken and it is not reasonable to wait after the midday quiet time finishes, I would understand.  That's what's the rules say in most places, as long as it is a single occasion it should be tolerated if it is during the day's quiet time.   Mowing the grass would be totally different to fixing a broken pipe.

 

In some places, like Berlin, the midday quiet time does not exist since long time ago, probably because it doesn't really make sense in cities.  However the midday quiet time can be in your building rules, so in your renting contract.  But since it is a private agreement, when you do not follow it you have to settle it privately.

 

Sorry, I get your point now regarding emergencies. Obviously that would take precedence over needing sleep.

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2 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

I find amazing how your neighbors are supposed to keep their plants according to regulations but you do not want to keep your bush according to regulations.

But that's the point. We do want to keep them to the regulations and believe to have done so. We are just unsure what the exact regulations are. 

I don't understand why you think we don't want to keep to the regulations. That is exactly what we do want to do!

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8 minutes ago, lunaCH said:

But that's the point. We do want to keep them to the regulations and believe to have done so. We are just unsure what the exact regulations are. 

 

 

I think you do not realize this does not make any sense at all.

 

And when people pointed out about the regulations you kept insisting in your nonsense and that "everything is ok".

 

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4 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

 

I think you do not realize this does not make any sense at all.

 

And when people pointed out about the regulations you kept insisting in your nonsense and that "everything is ok".

 

I'm sorry but I really don't understand what 'nonsense' you are referring to. We asked on here as we were unsure of the regulations. We want to stick to the regulations and apparently have been doing so. We will thus carry on as before until the works are over. There is nothing we can do about it as the project needs to be completed.

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On 10/6/2019, 8:52:08, lunaCH said:

It has got to the point where my partner (who doesn't speak much German) no longer answers the door to them as once the husband came down shouting bashed his fists on the glass door so hard that it came loose from the frame. We have since replaced the door with one that doesn't have glass, but it is quite frightening what they think they can get away with just because they are much older than us and have been here longer. 

 

About this, did you lodge a police complaint? 
This is illegal and should be covered by insurance. 

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Jeeezus Black&Deckering Christ, seven months of amatuer DIY at all hours the government gives you?

Amma glad I´m not your neighbour, and to be frank you should be glad I´m not your neighbour.

 

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On 10/7/2019, 11:24:09, pmd said:

Yes, your town obviously doesn't have a lunchtime Ruhigzeit. My point was about occasional noise during Ruhigzeit, lunchtime or otherwise.

It may well do, but it would not have occurred to us as we had never heard of it. Also as mentioned, it was not that particular time of day that was causing the aggravation. I understand the husband does nap after lunch, but takes his hearing aids out.

2 minutes ago, psarkar said:

About this, did you lodge a police complaint? 
This is illegal and should be covered by insurance. 

We did not, as we felt that reporting him to the Police would have soured relations entirely, once and for all and there would have been no way back. I think we made the right decision not to. Obviously they are aware that we were very frightened following a couple of episodes and will not hesitate to escalate it to the Police and/or appropriate authorities should there be another similar or serious incident. The woman knows that sooner or later she herself will have to do something about him, otherwise he may take things too far, particularly with her in the flat after he has had too much to drink. Since the incident and their knowledge that we will not tolerate this again, he seems to be calmer at least with us and has not done anything more to us.

I have spoken to a doctor in confidence about it to see how we could proceed if need be. The snag being if we do report this somewhere, like to a health official or town hall etc., concerning the delirium and dementia, this will sour things again with the woman, as they will know it is us. 

The man has lost his wallet twice in recent months, including all his cards and ID etc. once left at a checkout, the other time he doesn't know. He has also lost their house keys three or four times over one year. He got the idea into his head that we had taken them. They have changed their locks several times because of this.

 

As for insurance and the door, we were going to replace it shortly anyway, so I am not sure what could have been claimed. The previous one was full length glass which we did not like, it was very old and weak. We taped it up from the inside and used a supplementary chain whilst we were waiting for the new door which has no glass, so now he would have difficult in repeating what he did.

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10 minutes ago, slammer said:

seven months of amatuer DIY at all hours the government gives you? Amma glad I´m not your neighbour

It's not like that at all. Whoever moved in would have had to do some renovation over time in any case and the neighbours knew this time would eventually come. They had the opportunity to buy the flat themselves, for years, but didn't want to pay what he was asking for it.

Initially, the relationship was very good between us and they were so pleased our predecessor had left as he caused them no end of problems, didn't pay his way and made a lot of noise, including leaving a dog tied up and barking outside all day as well as music and partying late at night.

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1 hour ago, lunaCH said:

It's not like that at all. Whoever moved in would have had to do some renovation over time in any case and the neighbours knew this time would eventually come. They had the opportunity to buy the flat themselves, for years, but didn't want to pay what he was asking for it.

Initially, the relationship was very good between us and they were so pleased our predecessor had left as he caused them no end of problems, didn't pay his way and made a lot of noise, including leaving a dog tied up and barking outside all day as well as music and partying late at night.

 

In that case tell your neighbors that you are giving up on your renovations due to their complaints and that the former owner is interested in moving back in ;)

 

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On 07/10/2019, 10:07:38, lunaCH said:

...he threatened to murder our predecessor's ex-wife... He also has partial dementia...

This sounds promising indeed. Wondering how the soon-to-be defunct cat fits in. Is he the fragile person?

At last something captivating on TT.

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On 10/9/2019, 4:34:56, lunaCH said:

 

Initially, the relationship was very good between us and they were so pleased our predecessor had left as he caused them no end of problems, didn't pay his way and made a lot of noise, including leaving a dog tied up and barking outside all day as well as music and partying late at night.

 

So you have the solution for your neighbours that you need without starting all these threads. 

 

Follow your predecessor"s example. Distract them with barking dogs and load music and carry on with your renovations, sapling removal and pet farewells safe in the knowledge that the background noise has driven them beyond reason already. As long as you are quick on your feet then you should be able to dodge the alledged dementai sufferer with homicidal tendencies. 

 

All good.

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9 hours ago, catjones said:

Cremate the Cat.

That's easier said than done, although I like the poetry and rhythm of that short sentence. Name for a punk group perhaps?

There would still be remains. She's not gonna put them in the biotonne or the compost heap, now is she? And no, not one of those glass jewelry pieces they do from the ashes either. Surely.

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It seems to me that DIY noise from Monday to Saturday for months on end would be trying for a lot of people, perhaps even more so for someone with dementia, as they can apparently be particularly sensitive to noise and may react in different ways, including with anger.

 

"Smell is not the only sense that is affected by the disease. Alzheimer’s sufferers are often sensitive to noise. ... Reactions include anger, uncertainty, confusion, yelling, pacing, and other repetitive behaviors."

This page about neighbourhood noise from the Baden-Württemberg environment office says that most technical equipment can be used from Monday to Saturday only from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. and particularly noisy gardening equipment only from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. and from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. Monday to Friday:

 

"Für die Ruhe im Freien sorgt auch die Geräte- und Maschinenlärmschutzverordnung (32. BImSchV), nach der die meisten technischen Helfer in Wohngebieten von Montag bis Samstag nur in der Zeit von 7 Uhr bis 20 Uhr laufen dürfen. Vom Bohrgerät über den Rasenmäher und die Heckenschere bis hin zum Schredder fallen zahlreiche Geräte unter diese Verordnung. Noch mehr Ruhezeiten haben besonders laute Gartenhelfer: Freischneider, Grastrimmer und Graskantenschneider, Laubbläser und Laubsammler dürfen nur an Werktagen zwischen 9 Uhr bis 13 Uhr und von 15 Uhr bis 17 Uhr arbeiten."

 

Even if the equipment you're using doesn't fall into the category of particularly noisy gardening equipment, perhaps you could treat it as such and consider cutting down even further the time you spend making DIY noise to give your neighbours more peace.

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