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About to go to take a look at a used car - advice needed

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Hello,

 

I don't know much about used cars and I am next week about to go for a trip of 400+ km to take a look at one which I really like and is what I'm looking for (Audi A4 B8 Avant - EZ 12/2012).

 

Now, I actually won't be able to take anyone experienced enough with cars to be of any help. I was thinking about taking the car to an ADAC Werk and the owner agrees (as long as it's an independent "garage").

 

- Has anyone done this before and what were the experiences?

- What do they specifically inspect - is there a standard procedure or they check what I tell them to check?

- Do they check if the car was wrecked/in an accident and fixed?

- Do I need an appointment with them?

- How much does it cost?

 

Thank you for any input!

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We also know nothing about cars, so when we took our car out for the Probefahrt, we drove straight to Dekra and had them inspect it. Even though it was a Saturday, they were able to do it without an appointment. That gave us peace of mind. They weren’t able to tell us if the car had been in an accident though. It was just a standard check.

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6 minutes ago, Santitas said:

We also know nothing about cars, so when we took our car out for the Probefahrt, we drove straight to Dekra and had them inspect it. Even though it was a Saturday, they were able to do it without an appointment. That gave us peace of mind. They weren’t able to tell us if the car had been in an accident though. It was just a standard check.

 

Thank you for your input. Do you remember how long did it take and how much you paid?

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1 hour ago, java10 said:

Hello,

 

I don't know much about used cars and I am next week about to go for a trip of 400+ km to take a look at one which I really like and is what I'm looking for (Audi A4 B8 Avant - EZ 12/2012).

You are starting with the wrong foot. You are telling me that you can´t find something closer? It´s an Audi, not a collectable car!

If the price is the main reason, rethink the issue. There is probably a good reason that it is cheaper there, so you might be wasting your time.

 

1 hour ago, java10 said:

 

Now, I actually won't be able to take anyone experienced enough with cars to be of any help. I was thinking about taking the car to an ADAC Werk and the owner agrees (as long as it's an independent "garage").

 

- Has anyone done this before and what were the experiences?

I asked the owner of one of my cars to do it

1 hour ago, java10 said:

- What do they specifically inspect - is there a standard procedure or they check what I tell them to check?

They have optional checks. My main concerns at the time were rust. You have to ask them to check for it. They also found that the brakes were not in good condition, so I got a price reduction from the owner

1 hour ago, java10 said:

- Do they check if the car was wrecked/in an accident and fixed?

Unsure... but actually the owner is obliged to tell you.

1 hour ago, java10 said:

- Do I need an appointment with them?

I think so.

1 hour ago, java10 said:

- How much does it cost?

It was cheap, worth it, but can´t recall.

 

1 hour ago, java10 said:

Thank you for any input!

Audi depreciates more than Mercedes and BMW for a reason: they are not as good. Also Audi drivers are usually assholes, so the car is probably overly used/had many accidents.

Other tips: avoid cars above 120.000km

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7 hours ago, java10 said:

 

Thank you for your input. Do you remember how long did it take and how much you paid?

Including waiting time, it took about an hour and was about 100€ (?)

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Ok, I bought the car.

 

It came with 19" Rotor Audi wheels (summer tires), and black foils on the rear windows. Now, the owner claims he bought it like that from a company that bought the car as new. Nowhere in the papers are these wheels mentioned - only 16" (twice) are stated in the Teil II (I don't know the word for this, but it is what you give to a policeman along with your driver's licence when eg. pulled over). 

 

I did a bit of research and saw that B8 model can come with this type and size of wheels. If so, should then the size be mentioned in Teil II booklet? Also, he made in April a new TÜV - could it be done if the wheels and the foils were "illegal" on the car, do they check that?

 

Wheels:

https://premiumwheels.de/shop/audi/28972-19-zoll-sommerraeder-original-audi-a4-s4-8k-b8-rotor-felgen-8k0601025cn-b173/

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20 minutes ago, java10 said:

I don't know the word for this, but it is what you give to a policeman along with your driver's licence when eg. pulled over

(Zulassungsbescheinigung) Teil I also called "Fahrzeugschein" is the part you carry in the car. Teil II also called "Fahrzeugbrief" is the ownership document.

 

I don't know for sure. Maybe someone will come along and correct me. According to this only the recommended type of tyres are on the vehicle documents.

The last paragraph google translated:

 

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Additional tire options:
"It is not necessary for these tires to be actually mounted on the vehicle, both for the delivery of a new vehicle and for later use, and it is permissible to change the wheel / tire combination within the scope of the approval without specifying in Part I - details in Part II are not included - which wheel / tire combinations are permitted can be found on the websites of the vehicle manufacturers, inquired of specialist companies or the COC (Certificate of Conformity), the data confirmation or the However, everything that is not approved must be approved with an individual report.To avoid problems with a possible vehicle inspection, it is therefore strongly recommended that you bring the corresponding proof! " (Source: www.adac.de, 2006)

 

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6 hours ago, generalmartok said:

(Zulassungsbescheinigung) Teil I also called "Fahrzeugschein" is the part you carry in the car. Teil II also called "Fahrzeugbrief" is the ownership document.

 

I don't know for sure. Maybe someone will come along and correct me. According to this only the recommended type of tyres are on the vehicle documents.

The last paragraph google translated:

 

 

l, who ever has the "Fahrzeugschein" and the "Fahrzeugbrief", owns the car, so you should never have them together, as if they get stolen the thief owns the car, it does not matter what it says on them.

 

Most people just travel with the "Fahrzeugschein", the smaller document. 

 

If you do not know much about cars and you want to make longer journeys, it might be worth thinking about getting ADAC breakdown insurance ( or other cheaper versions ), ADAC will come out and help you all over europe ( if you buy that cover).  I know its too late now, but you can ask them to do an assessment of a car and tell you whats wrong with it for, well not sure. ask

 

7 hours ago, java10 said:

Ok, I bought the car.

 

It came with 19" Rotor Audi wheels (summer tires), and black foils on the rear windows. Now, the owner claims he bought it like that from a company that bought the car as new. Nowhere in the papers are these wheels mentioned - only 16" (twice) are stated in the Teil II (I don't know the word for this, but it is what you give to a policeman along with your driver's licence when eg. pulled over). 

 

I did a bit of research and saw that B8 model can come with this type and size of wheels. If so, should then the size be mentioned in Teil II booklet? Also, he made in April a new TÜV - could it be done if the wheels and the foils were "illegal" on the car, do they check that?

 

Wheels:

https://premiumwheels.de/shop/audi/28972-19-zoll-sommerraeder-original-audi-a4-s4-8k-b8-rotor-felgen-8k0601025cn-b173/

 

I did used to know this, but cannot remember, If I were you I would ring up the TUV and ask or pretty much any tyre dealer will be able to tell you the regulation in English as well , normall

 

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On 7/23/2019, 10:20:59, MikeMelga said:

You are starting with the wrong foot. You are telling me that you can´t find something closer? It´s an Audi, not a collectable car!

If the price is the main reason, rethink the issue. There is probably a good reason that it is cheaper there, so you might be wasting your time.

 

 

Mike, cars in Munich are more expensive than in other parts of europe!

 

Part of the advantage of being in the EU, is that its more easy to find  things that are cheaper in other parts of Europe

 

Some people will do it to save money, other will not - its there choice, if you would not do it fine, others will fine

 

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2 hours ago, yesterday said:

Mike, cars in Munich are more expensive than in other parts of europe!

 

Part of the advantage of being in the EU, is that its more easy to find  things that are cheaper in other parts of Europe

 

Some people will do it to save money, other will not - its there choice, if you would not do it fine, others will fine

 

 

It wasn't actually too far away from Munich - cca 430 km, near Frankfurt. And I got a great car with (110.000 driven), which would cost at least 1000 eur more here in Munich. The trip and the related expenses cost me around 100 eur because the owner let me take the car on the existing plates (we arranged that I come on Saturday so yellow 5-day-valid plates weren't an option).

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It is OK, I bought our current daily driver in a small town close to Stuttgart, why? Because it was around 6000€ cheaper than the market price, why that? Because it had italian papers and Germans are a bit fussy about "foreign" cars, funny enough it is a BMW.   

 

About the wheels, if they are stock wheels then they do not have to be registered in the car papers.  And if they are not, then you have two choices, for both you will need the ABE which is a certification that those wheels can be used with your car, the ABE is something the manufacturer of the wheels would do and you can download the ABE from the Internet.   Then either you bring the ABE with you every time you do the HU or you get the wheels registered in the car papers so you do not have to bring the ABE every time.   Technically if the wheels are not registered in the papers then you have to carry the ABE in the car.

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Changing the size of the wheels might require an adjustment of the speedometer...

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34 minutes ago, Krieg said:

Because it was around 6000€ cheaper than the market price, why that? Because it had italian papers and Germans are a bit fussy about "foreign" cars, funny enough it is a BMW.

Perhaps it was so cheap, because it was stolen and they switched the vehicle identification number. Watch those Italians :).

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