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7 minutes ago, john g. said:

I know, French bean! But it´s probably " racist " to mention that!!! We are all wonderful, aren´t we? And Nazis! 

People who enslave others deserve locking up. Oh dear, I´m intolerant.

 

Not intolerant, just seen it all before and it doesn't get better, if anything, it's getting worse.

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My worldview includes my rejection of abuse of power by ALL - and includes the Church Establishment and powerful organisations covering up such abuse.

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22 hours ago, jubinjohn said:

I have heard west european engineers "joking" about "women in engineering  " as women to make coffee in engineering department.

 

It takes more than being west european to pay women the respect they deserve.

Everything is relative of course. At the end of the day, would you rather be a female engineer (or even female, period) in either Bangladesh or Norway?...

 

RE: the phrase "women in engineering". Just reminds me that during my bachelor, our university's engineering student society got themselves shutdown and banned for the semester for publishing a rude joke in their student-produced newsletter. It's an old chestnut relying on antimetabole: What's better than women in engineering?... 

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36 minutes ago, alderhill said:

Everything is relative of course. At the end of the day, would you rather be a female engineer (or even female, period) in either Bangladesh or Norway?...

 

RE: the phrase "women in engineering". Just reminds me that during my bachelor, our university's engineering student society got themselves shutdown and banned for the semester for publishing a rude joke in their student-produced newsletter. It's an old chestnut relying on antimetabole: What's better than women in engineering?... 

That is a different argument, whether being a women is better in norway compared to bangladesh or India my home country.  I do agree that women in norway will have slimmer chances than the one in an asian country of being discriminated.

But that is not what I addressed there.  Of course we can keep on arguing that a joke is a joke. And it will justify definitely the joking guy. When such a thing come from elite grown ups it is hard for me to believe that women are treated as first class citizens here. 

If we keep on discussing we can produce numbers. But I personally don't like to be that 1 in 1000 of brown skinned males, who are served last in a local butcher shop. The numbers can be good but the pain is always a pain.

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On 04/07/2019, 17:40:14, French bean said:

 

 

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1 minute ago, jubinjohn said:

I just wanted point out that not only east european and Asians, Europeans also treat women as second class citizen.  

 

I have heard west european engineers "joking" about "women in engineering  " as women to make coffee in engineering department.

 

It takes more than being west european to pay women the respect they deserve.

 

Were you around in the early 80's? When I trained as an Aircraft technician, we had 2 female trainees who were told this wasn't the job for them and they should leave. They didn't.

 

Although that doesn't happen as much as it did, it's worth noting that there are still Neanderthals out there but they are slowly dying out. It takes time and many generations for people's attitudes to change but some cultures are still way behind others.

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10 minutes ago, jubinjohn said:

That is a different argument, whether being a women is better in norway compared to bangladesh or India my home country.  I do agree that women in norway will have slimmer chances than the one in an asian country of being discriminated.

But that is not what I addressed there.  Of course we can keep on arguing that a joke is a joke. And it will justify definitely the joking guy. When such a thing come from elite grown ups it is hard for me to believe that women are treated as first class citizens here. 

If we keep on discussing we can produce numbers. But I personally don't like to be that 1 in 1000 of brown skinned males, who are served last in a local butcher shop. The numbers can be good but the pain is always a pain.

I just wanted point out that not only east european and Asians, Europeans also treat women as second class citizen.  

 

I have heard west european engineers "joking" about "women in engineering  " as women to make coffee in engineering department.

 

It takes more than being west european to pay women the respect they deserve.

3 points! Does it really happen that you are 1 in 1,000 of brown-skinned males in Germany that are served last in a butcher´s? Does it? I hope not.

 

Second point: we all move on (hopefully ). I was a real Lefty Socialist come-the-revolution type in the 80s and was a journalist (part time). I once went to the BBC offices in London on a job and had some papers with me I needed printing and went into a  room with about 7 or 8 people in there. One of them was a woman. I asked her if she could do the printing for me. I assumed she wasn´t the boss...but she was!!! I learned from that! By the way, she was gracious, I remember , and smiled and did it!

 

Third point: around that same time, I was living in a part of London called Clapham (tube station Clapham South ) and shared a house with an Australian called Revel and an English couple. We all smoked dope the whole time and paid our rent on time to the owners next door...a Bangladeshi couple.

 

One day, Revel came home, distressed...was too distressed even to roll a joint and told me what had happened. In our street, there was a post office and Revel had just tried to walk past it BUT our Bangladeshi landlady was also outside the post office and told him: " there´s a robbery going on in there...you´re a man..get in there." AND she pushed him in through the door!

Luckily, the police turned up and all was ok in the end...

 

So, we all hopefully grow but also know we are dealing with stereotypes..and they are not always good towards men. Or women.

 

 

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Thank you i know what a Brother In Law is and i have one. But i never heard of abreviation BIL

23 hours ago, lisa13 said:

 

brother in law = husband of your sister (or husband of your brother, if he is gay)

 

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57 minutes ago, Magmax said:

Thank you i know what a Brother In Law is and i have one. But i never heard of abreviation BIL

 

See also SIL, FIL, MIL. :) 

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2 hours ago, French bean said:

Were you around in the early 80's? When I trained as an Aircraft technician, we had 2 female trainees who were told this wasn't the job for them and they should leave. They didn't.

 

Although that doesn't happen as much as it did, it's worth noting that there are still Neanderthals out there but they are slowly dying out. It takes time and many generations for people's attitudes to change but some cultures are still way behind others.

I hope that it will be so. Also, i must admit that I did not get you completely as I overlooked some of your posts earlier this thread. Now I went through the whole thread and I see that my first post on this thread is not relevant. 

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2 hours ago, john g. said:

3 points! Does it really happen that you are 1 in 1,000 of brown-skinned males in Germany that are served last in a butcher´s? Does it? I hope not.

 

Second point: we all move on (hopefully ). I was a real Lefty Socialist come-the-revolution type in the 80s and was a journalist (part time). I once went to the BBC offices in London on a job and had some papers with me I needed printing and went into a  room with about 7 or 8 people in there. One of them was a woman. I asked her if she could do the printing for me. I assumed she wasn´t the boss...but she was!!! I learned from that! By the way, she was gracious, I remember , and smiled and did it!

 

Third point: around that same time, I was living in a part of London called Clapham (tube station Clapham South ) and shared a house with an Australian called Revel and an English couple. We all smoked dope the whole time and paid our rent on time to the owners next door...a Bangladeshi couple.

 

One day, Revel came home, distressed...was too distressed even to roll a joint and told me what had happened. In our street, there was a post office and Revel had just tried to walk past it BUT our Bangladeshi landlady was also outside the post office and told him: " there´s a robbery going on in there...you´re a man..get in there." AND she pushed him in through the door!

Luckily, the police turned up and all was ok in the end...

 

So, we all hopefully grow but also know we are dealing with stereotypes..and they are not always good towards men. Or women.

 

 

Reply to point number one. The number may not be correct , because I went to that butcher shop for two years but not every week , so I  assume may be 50 times I was there  and I had this incident  2 times with the same staff. Also , i had the similar behaviour with rewe fleisch theke , around 2 times itself if I remember correctly.

I am not the only one with this experience, my work colleague had similar experience in different places and his way to avoid them was wearing Gore s and Jack Wolfskins.  

 

Point two and three , i get your point, as I said in the previous post, i failed to put enough effort to read in the proper order, and thereby misunderstood some peoples opinion. my mistake. 

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2 hours ago, jubinjohn said:

 I went to that butcher shop for two years but not every week , so I  assume may be 50 times I was there  and I had this incident  2 times with the same staff. Also , i had the similar behaviour with rewe fleisch theke , around 2 times itself if I remember correctly.

I am not the only one with this experience, my work colleague had similar experience in different places and his way to avoid them was wearing Gore s and Jack Wolfskins.  

 

I wasn't there, I don't know. But German "service" really can be so terrible that it may not be racism, and simply typical German tunnel vision, letting the pushiest go first. I am white as a bleached lily in a snowstorm, but in similar situations I have also from time to time felt intentionally ignored (which I assume was not actually the case). By and large, Germany doesn't do 'first come-first served' or queuing, and so no paying close attention to which customer was next. 

 

Not to turn this into a German-bashing thread. Just to reiterate, it may not be racism per se, and simply the way (a lot of) Germans are. 

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I was thinking the same thing as alderhill. When I first came to Germany, I was often overlooked at bakeries or the butcher's, but then I started to speak up and see when it was my turn and not let others ahead of me. While it could be racism, it could also just be the way Germans are. For me it was definitely not a case of racism. I doubt you could see me in a snowstorm either.

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5 hours ago, alderhill said:

 

I wasn't there, I don't know. But German "service" really can be so terrible that it may not be racism, and simply typical German tunnel vision, letting the pushiest go first. I am white as a bleached lily in a snowstorm, but in similar situations I have also from time to time felt intentionally ignored (which I assume was not actually the case). By and large, Germany doesn't do 'first come-first served' or queuing, and so no paying close attention to which customer was next. 

 

Not to turn this into a German-bashing thread. Just to reiterate, it may not be racism per se, and simply the way (a lot of) Germans are. 

 

Excuse me?!?

Queuing is normal anywhere here in Bavaria, Franconia, Thuringia - sometimes, the staff has to ask who's next when there are several lines (cheeses - meat), and usually, the customers ask each other if the other one wasn't there before if the staff serves the wrong one first. Politely.

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I have also been to Croatia many times. Food is great and the people were really friendy.

 

Sad that the OP had such a dreadful experience, but don't tar everyone with the same brush. There are just sadly idiots everywhere in the world, and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Sannerl said:

Excuse me?!?

Queuing is normal anywhere here in Bavaria, Franconia, Thuringia - sometimes, the staff has to ask who's next when there are several lines (cheeses - meat), and usually, the customers ask each other if the other one wasn't there before if the staff serves the wrong one first. Politely.

 

Where do you shop???

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1 minute ago, fraufruit said:

 

Where do you shop???

 

Long list, and I don't remember the names of every small bakery (in Teichelt and Weimar).

Metzgerei Kraus in Kronach.

Denns there.

Edeka in Geroldsgrün and Bad Steben.

 

At home:

Edeka Am Harras was always nice regarding meat and cheese.

Same with Vincent Murr (occupants of the Edeka in Passauer Straße).

Rossmann nearby.

Istanbul Supermarket around the corner.

The small Turkish shop across the street.

The Vietnamese shops nearby.

Even the staff of the so-called "Back-shops" nearby act nicely.

Norma near subway-station "Westpark". Very nice staff.

Fisch Lurz (now Kurt Fisch; owner died and they moved).

Dachauer Biobauerndienst (I order most our meat and some cheese there via phone, always have a nice chat and get my questions answered).

Vollcorner in Lindwurmstrasse.

...

 

We are lucky to have that many choices, therefore I just try to avoid shops where the staff isn't polite.

I am patient and try to stay calm and polite and usually give them a try a few more times (everyone has a bad day once in a while), but then...

Luckily, that doesn't happen often.

 

I sometimes complain, apologize when I'm wrong and appreciate when something's good.

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Quite the list. Thanks!

 

I must admit that people seem to have gotten better at queuing, etc. over the years but there are still those who are in a rush rush mode and push their ways to the front or push their cart up my ass. Of course, the shop employees aren't to blame for that.

 

Luckily, I stay pretty chilled and observe because I'm never in a hurry.

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21 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

Quite the list. Thanks!

 

I must admit that people seem to have gotten better at queuing, etc. over the years but there are still those who are in a rush rush mode and push their ways to the front or push their cart up my ass. Of course, the shop employees aren't to blame for that.

 

Luckily, I stay pretty chilled and observe because I'm never in a hurry.

 

Same here. When shopping, I take my time - a few minutes more don't hurt me.

When someone directly behind me is in a hurry and asks politely - OK.

I even offer people with only a few items immediate behind me to pass me at checkout.

Parents with children even with more items. Better for everyone... ;-)

 

But if someone gets pushy - no way.

Or if someone misbehaves e.g. by putting back not wrapped bread with their bare hands...

I witnessed that once at Norma and told that neat looking young man in his impeccable suit not to do that.

He told me to mind my own business - which I did by telling the staff.

Boy, did he get an earful! :-D

And they removed the contaminated pretzels immediately.

Another customer appreciated my behaviour and told me so. Good times. ;-)

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6 hours ago, Sannerl said:

 

Excuse me?!?

Queuing is normal anywhere here in Bavaria, Franconia, Thuringia - sometimes, the staff has to ask who's next when there are several lines (cheeses - meat), and usually, the customers ask each other if the other one wasn't there before if the staff serves the wrong one first. Politely.

This is my experience in RLP. However 30 years ago in NRW I did get very pissed off when I was ignored and an elderly local lady would just barge in. It's probably got a lot to do with the customs and culture in the part of Germany you live in.

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