A1 motorcycle license relaxations uproar

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Transportation Minister Scheuer (Mr. Maut lol) seems to be causing a new media uproar - but this one has me scratching my head:

 

https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/fuehrerschein-a1-motorradfahren-muss-geuebt-werden-kommentar-a-1273359.html

https://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/fuehrerschein-autofahrer-sollen-bald-motorrad-fahren-duerfen-a-1272952.html

 

Currently, driving school and certification for a A1 Liechtkraftrad 125cc motorcycle/scooter license can cost between 1200-1400e (sometimes upwards of 1700e!).

 

The new proposal here reduces it to 7.5h of practice as well as confirmation from the school of the student's theoretical knowledge.

 

OK, I get it - people believe it's going to be bedlam on the streets because suddenly any moron can get an A1 license easier than ever.
 

The EU regulations have allowed such an exemption for a while already and 13 other countries have implemented it - not to mention anybody who got their B license before 1980 are allowed to drive an A1:

 

 

" B licence holders in Czech Republic (only motorcycles with automatic transmission), Italy, Latvia, Malta (after a training of 10 hours), Slovakia (after two years and only motorcycles with automatic transmission), Spain (after three years), Poland (after three years), Portugal (at least 25 years old or additional licence for mopeds), and Belgium (only with a Belgian Driving Licence, after two years) are allowed to drive motorcycles not exceeding 125 cubic centimetres (7.6 cu in) within the respective countries. In Austria (after five years, training of 6 hours), France (after two years, a training of 7 hours), Luxembourg (after two years, training of 7 hours), and the United Kingdom (Compulsory Basic Training), a practical training without exam is needed for B licence holders."

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_driving_licence

 

The Spiegel articles mention Austria as a supposed "nightmare" example after easing the rules in 1997 but I can't find any data that backs it up.

 

According to this article, in 1997 Austria had 238.000 motorbikes/scooters on the road and in 1998 there were 87 biker fatalities. However, in 2018 there were 99 biker fatalities (7 of which were Leicht-Motorrädern) but the number of bikes had nearly doubled to 535.000. So 20 years later, the number of deaths per registered bike is nearly half what it was.

 

 

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22 hours ago, circuits said:

OK, I get it - people believe it's going to be bedlam on the streets because suddenly any moron can get an A1 license easier than ever.

In the good old days a car license allowed you to drive bikes up to 250 ccm. That only changed in the 70ies IIRC (not sure about the timeline though). So it´s not as if this was a completely new idea. It will still be more restrictive than the old regulation.

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6 hours ago, jeba said:

In the good old days a car license allowed you to drive bikes up to 250 ccm. That only changed in the 70ies IIRC (not sure about the timeline though). So it´s not as if this was a completely new idea. It will still be more restrictive than the old regulation.

IIRC it changed (not sure which year) because after Yamaha introduced their RD250cc 2 stroke motorcycle that you could ride on a car licence without doing a bike test too many people were being seriously injured or killed. 

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Despite all the various groups protesting this rule relaxation, nobody has posted actual statistics from other countries that demonstrate significantly higher accident & death rates. And training would still be required, albeit less.

 

FWIW people are allowed to drive higher-power 3-wheel MP3 Piaggio bikes with a class B license:

https://www.piaggio.com/de_DE/Modelle/MP3/

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I am a motorcyclist. Training is required but the current costs in Germany are ludicrously high. If you have a car licence then a one day practical is more than sufficient to cover basic handling and safety awareness. The rest comes with experience and your responsibility. In the UK it was in the past possible to go from zero to full motorbike license in 5 days course for car drivers. This was more than adequate with high focus on safety. The final exam on road was not easy and focused on safe riding and control. Pass rate was about 60 percent. I think the balance was right. Electric motorbikes equivalent in power to 125cc would be a perfect near city commute option and should be encouraged rather than otherwise. 

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fwiw 125cc = 0,1 kW/kg for electric bikes.

 

Like these:

 

https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/de/11kw

https://electrek.co/2018/11/07/super-soco-electric-motorcycle/

https://nuuk-europe.com/pf/nuuk-urban/

https://www.ktm.com/de/e-ride/freeride-e-xc/

http://wastshop.com/produkt/evoke-urban-25/

https://www.voltamotorbikes.com/en/

 

And for the no-holds-barred price category:

https://www.bmw-motorrad.de/de/models/urban_mobility/cevolution.html

http://www.johammer.com/en/electric-motorcycle/

 

 

Some of the above have batteries that are removable for charging elsewhere. I didn't really include the freakshows that look like mountain bikes on steroids.

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jono:  "If you have a car licence then a one day practical is more than sufficient to cover basic handling and safety awareness".

 

You have a much higher regard for the safety awareness of the average car driver than almost any motorcyclist I know!

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That's some great news! Can anybody give a guesstimate on how long can it take to turn from a proposal to an actual law?

 

P.S. Happily riding a 125cc Vespa with a B license in Prague for the past year. Moving to Germany soon and this law can save me some $$$ on getting the license.

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