Tweet about gender neutral toilets stirs controversy

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2 minutes ago, LeonG said:

 

Some guys are bothered by it but it would be considered petty or wimpy to complain.  I've only see a couple of times that men have given a look or said "hey, this is the mens" in such circumstances.  Nobody got maced, nobody called security.

 

So do women actually change their tampons while out in the open standing by the sinks?  Or they do it in a cubicle?  If they tend to do it by the sinks, I guess you have a point.

 

No, they don't do it standing outside but I've seen a woman with a huge period "accident" in the restroom and she needed help from others as she didn't have a change of clothes. This does happen.  I've seen countless women changing their clothes because they are going to a party after work or something. And as I said above, when travelling to or from Asia I see women changing their outfits completely.

 

Only once I used the men's but it was at an Autobahn service station in France and the women's queue was a mile long! So some lady who worked there took a bunch of us into the men's. You couldn't/shouldn't do that the other way around. 

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11 minutes ago, john g. said:

The only thing I care about is:

is the toilet clean (ish)? Does it flush? Is paper there? Is there soap to clean my hands? Don´t care who is also there.

Crete as a whole: fail.

 India too, where I am now. Which is why I NEVER use public toilets here, unless in top class hotels! (Or at the airport, when I have to to.)

 

A major problem in India is poor rural women who have no toilets at all and have to go in the fields. This is where predators wait and where they are sometimes raped. A toilet at home is a luxury for these women.

 

This was actually my situation when I was 23 and living in a hut without a toilet or bathroom. I used to go in the field next door with a spade. Wait till there was noone around -- the only other people who "went" there were sadhus.

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Yes, arunadasi! First world problem à la krieg!

I remember a friend of our generation, Tony in Hamburg, who " did " Afghanistan etc in the 70s. One evening about 8 or 9 years ago, he wrote me he´d signed up to GoogleEarth or whatever it´s called. He had excitedly seen a small field he had done a dumpez-vous in all those years ago! No transgender stuff..just an old-fashioned dumpez-vous!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Another perspective about gender neutral toilets. Up until a couple of years ago no one gave a shit, I use to take my daughter as a toddler into the mens - no problem. Now we have Transgenders who are demanding that they be allowed to use Ladies toilets, not Gender neutral toilets. Ok, now we have Transgender people in prison demanding they be put into Female Prisons, only thing is one of them has just been convicted for sexually assaulting female prisoners. Then you have the likes of Huntley who carried out the Soham murders now saying he wants to identify as a women. How much of this is truly from people that believe they were born in the wrong body and how much is down to some Perv seeing it as a way to get his kicks? The biggest issue is that a Transgender minority, approx 0,01 of theUK  population, seems to have the finance and the tactics to sway policy and a number of these transgenders are deliberatly targeting women who question their femininity through bullyboy tactics and threats. If they truly were feminine then something's gone wrong because they are definately not in touch with their feminine side. Womens toilets, changing rooms etc are for women and girls, end of.

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28 minutes ago, French bean said:

If they truly were feminine then something's gone wrong because they are definately not in touch with their feminine side. Womens toilets, changing rooms etc are for women and girls, end of.

 

Exactly. Well put. 

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2 hours ago, arunadasi said:

I think I saw an intersex baby when I was 20, travelling in Ecuador. Born to a woman in an Ecuadorian fishing village. I saw the baby just after it was born and couldn't tell the sex. I asked the women there (midwife delivery) and they just shrugged. I often thought about that baby over the years, wondering what happened. I had no idea at the time that such a thing as intersex existed.

Dunno, arunadasi, but that must be the most curious opening sentence ever on Toytown!:P

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Either I read it somewhere or totally dreamt it up.. but isnt there a tribe somewhere where the majority of kids grow up as Female and then all of a sudden a pair of bollocks and a knob just appear from nowhere?... :o

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10 minutes ago, SpiderPig said:

Either I read it somewhere or totally dreamt it up.. but isnt there a tribe somewhere where the majority of kids grow up as Female and then all of a sudden a pair of bollocks and a knob just appear from nowhere?... :o

Can't be, in most societies half of the kids grow up being Knobs and talking bollocks. Is that what you meant?

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13 minutes ago, SpiderPig said:

Either I read it somewhere or totally dreamt it up.. but isnt there a tribe somewhere where the majority of kids grow up as Female and then all of a sudden a pair of bollocks and a knob just appear from nowhere?... :o

 

I saw a documentary on this.  It's not the majority but actually some children in one family attributed to some great great grandmother.  There are normal girls and boys born in this family but also children who appear to be girls until puberty when their male genitals start to appear.  You can read a bit about this here: https://www.cluebees.com/more/just-in/village-where-girls-turn-into-boys-without-surgical-assistance

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2 hours ago, arunadasi said:

You couldn't/shouldn't do that the other way around. 

 

I think it's more the fact that it's extremely unusual for the line to the ladies room to be shorter than the line in the men's room.

 

But if you think men don't come into ladies rooms here when the line for them is too long, you're wrong.  I've experienced it twice just in the last year.

 

no one in the ladies room blinked.  There were some friendly, teasing comments and nothing more.  the guys went into the free stalls, did their business, and that was that.  

 

I just don't see what the drama is.

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12 minutes ago, lisa13 said:

 

I think it's more the fact that it's extremely unusual for the line to the ladies room to be shorter than the line in the men's room.

 

But if you think men don't come into ladies rooms here when the line for them is too long, you're wrong.  I've experienced it twice just in the last year.

 

no one in the ladies room blinked.  There were some friendly, teasing comments and nothing more.  the guys went into the free stalls, did their business, and that was that.  

 

I just don't see what the drama is.

 

Yes, sometimes mens rooms only have one stall and it's broken.  This happened at a restaurant a friend of mine runs once.  He called the landlady to ask if he could get a plumber to repair the toilet and she said no way, it's Sunday, it'll be crazy expensive, just tell the men if they need the stall they can use the ladies.

 

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2 hours ago, French bean said:

Now we have Transgenders who are demanding that they be allowed to use Ladies toilets, not Gender neutral toilets.

 

If there were the option of gender neutral toilets everywhere, then fine but what when there isn't?

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my experiences were actually in large public restrooms!  Just more men than women needing to go at the same time

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11 minutes ago, LeonG said:

 

If there were the option of gender neutral toilets everywhere, then fine but what when there isn't?

A number of places have made the offer of building gender neutral toilets but the hard core trans are not interested, they want to use the ladies.

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where are you getting this?  why do you hate trans people so much?  have you ever even met a trans person, let alone gotten to know them?

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8 minutes ago, French bean said:

A number of places have made the offer of building gender neutral toilets but the hard core trans are not interested, they want to use the ladies.

 

So are you saying that a transwoman can't be a lady?

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18 minutes ago, LeonG said:

 

So are you saying that a transwoman can't be a lady?

No, I'm saying that all the good work by the likes of Stonewall and other pro LGBT organisations is being undone by a minority who are not women, cannot be truely women and believe in a sense of entitlement at the cost of women and girls. It's simple, if they see themselves as women and want to behave as such then fair do's but also respect those that are born female who have a different opinion. I've often said a minority must not dictate to the majority in a fair society and that's exactly what's going on. Who is behind it? How can a number of non entities find the finance required to launch a campaign such as the Trans? Why do they appear to have a lot of influence on people in power? e.g Posy Parker likes to put up the dictionary's version of what a women is, she has been hounded by the police for hate crimes, she has been verbally abused, she has been trolled and her details of her and her family posted on line. Another is Graham Linnehan, creator of Father Ted, he has received temporary bans on Twitter and been harrased by the Police for posting his point and for sticking up for women. Who does Rachel Mckinnon, a bloke cycling in women's cycling events and winning think he is to have a go at Navratolova and coming out with some statement like does she know who he is? That makes a mockery of womens sport when a man can enter on the basis that he identifies as a women. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but hey, something somewhere is going on.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, lisa13 said:

 

where are you getting this?  why do you hate trans people so much?  have you ever even met a trans person, let alone gotten to know them?

 

3 hours ago, French bean said:

Now we have Transgenders who are demanding that they be allowed to use Ladies toilets, not Gender neutral toilets. Ok, now we have Transgender people in prison demanding they be put into Female Prisons, only thing is one of them has just been convicted for sexually assaulting female prisoners.

 

This is the issue I think. It is not fair - there will of course be mostly entirely serious people for whom the loo issue is an actual problem, but when there is even a tiny number of predators looking for a side route to possible victims, then this makes it unacceptable for the majority of women and in particular young girls.

 

I do think the fairest solution is loo rooms as you would have at home. One for a small establishment, more if there is space - the ladies loo thing where people gather round the sink and share tips and tears would be gone, but that's life I think. 

 

Whoever mentioned the problem with boys visiting the men's loo up-thread - that is a real issue and in the UK I was very nervous about letting my boys use public loos when they were younger, after realising that the loo in a park we frequented was known for cottaging. When they were under 8 they came in with me, over that age was just really awkward, now one is over 6 foot, I am less nervous! We are also less likely to be in that situation.

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56 minutes ago, lisa13 said:

 

where are you getting this?  why do you hate trans people so much?  have you ever even met a trans person, let alone gotten to know them?

There is no hate, anyone who wants to identify as female is fine but they should accept they are not biologically female. What I hate is the way that a minority is trying to push through a selfish hate filled agenda against women. The evidence is there for the vitriolic bile that some have used against women who dare to question them. That is hate and the tactics used against anyone who questions them are unbelieveable. I have a daughter and I really don't like the idea of her being put at risk by some bloke who decides to identify as female but still has male urges. Karen White is his name  https://news.sky.com/story/transgender-prison-inmate-who-sexually-assaulted-women-jailed-for-life-11523584.

The majority of trans aren't a proble, they just want to go about their business but this agenda pushed through by a hard core minority is a problem.

 

As for knowing trans people I can't say, I have met a lot of gay and infeminate men and didn't have a problem socialising with them at all

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