British Citizens Rights No Deal Brexit

[HEM 11,163]

33 minutes ago, rodisi said:

What about taxes?

 

If you are resident in Germany you will be taxed here in your world-wide income.  Citizenship is irrelevant to the tax authorities.

 

Exception: Payments from social security is taxable in the country that pays.  Thus if you receive a GB state pension that is taxable in GB according to the Dual Taxation agreement between GB & DE.  Note that the German FA has a back-door method to also tax a UK state pension (Progression).

[swimmer 3,707]

1 hour ago, rodisi said:

The EHIC in my case is issued by Britain.

 

German residents are not eligible for UK EHIC.   We have nothing to do with UK healthcare (EHIC or other). 

 

It's the state we live in that provides any EHIC cover, according to our participation in an eligible system (in which nationality is irrelevant).   Like several replies say, AOK members get their EHIC via that.   German residents (regardless of nationality) get EHIC through their German Krankenkasse.   That is how EHIC entitlement works.   Nothing to do with our nationality, or where we have previously lived.

 

People who no longer reside in the UK (British or other) no longer participate in the UK healthcare system and so no longer get any EHIC entitlement via the UK.  Our access to UK healthcare ends when we leave - except for use of any German EHIC.  We are no longer participants in the UK health system.  (If you mean you have an old UK card, like many of us, it'd no longer be valid and processes would catch the different nation address etc but as previous the German AOK covers it anyway).

 

EHIC's overvalued for most anyway.  I'm not in it and my substitute is 11.50 Euro, worldwide and non just limited state sector provision.

[rodisi 657]

23 hours ago, swimmer said:

(If you mean you have an old UK card, like many of us, it'd no longer be valid and processes would catch the different nation address etc but as previous the German AOK covers it anyway).

 

I have just renewed my UK EHIC from the UK and it was sent to my German address.

[john g. 37,776]

You are living in Germany and still on the NHS, rodisi????

[RedMidge 6,638]

8 minutes ago, john g. said:

You are living in Germany and still on the NHS, rodisi???

Is rodisi a UK pensioner? Then he can use/show  the card, but should still be registered with one of the Public Krankenkasse if he is living here long term. ( See UK Gov. website on this)

If not a pensioner, then this does not apply. ( see UK website!)

[john g. 37,776]

Hi, rodisi!! Are you  a pensioner?

Good point, RedMidge!!!

[Kommentarlos 983]

On 12/13/2018, 8:47:32, rodisi said:

Exactly my status.

 

No I don't.

 

As a retired person I don't know what the situation will be if I got citizenship here. I'm now covered healthwise through the S1 form, will I then have to pay into the German system? What about taxes?

 

The EHIC in my case is issued by Britain.

 

please see above.

[RedMidge 6,638]

1 hour ago, Kommentarlos said:

 

please see above.

Yes, but he should still be registered with a German public health. They will bill the NHS for his costs. It sounds as if he is not registered with a Kasse. But, I could be wrong.

[Kommentarlos 983]

On 12/7/2018, 11:18:33, rodisi said:

All I know is the AOK person told me that as of 29 March I lose my AOK card. What the hell happens after that, I have no idea.

 

Is she /he not currently with AOK?

 

I do not know about this at all. Just my impression from the relevant posts.

[RedMidge 6,638]

1 hour ago, Kommentarlos said:

 

Is she /he not currently with AOK?

 

I do not know about this at all. Just my impression from the relevant posts.

I missed that one!  Then  it must be related to Brexit and  NHS no longer covering?!   We still do not know all the  details of what will happen in these cases.

[kiplette 8,795]

On 13.12.2018, 22:17:56, swimmer said:

People who no longer reside in the UK (British or other) no longer participate in the UK healthcare system and so no longer get any EHIC entitlement via the UK.  Our access to UK healthcare ends when we leave - except for use of any German EHIC.  We are no longer participants in the UK health system. 

 

He is insured 'through the S1' which means that the NHS funds his AOK card, as it were, and his EHIC is provided through the UK. 

 

Pensioners are mostly in this situation. I think only those who never had a German income, but I may be wrong there.

 

Does anyone know how it is for those who have eg. an Army pension, and then a German income/pension as well? Are they S1 users, or are they now paying like other German residents? I think there was a change in 2011 or something. I have had many confusing conversations with veterans round my way, and have no real idea how it is supposed to work.

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6 hours ago, kiplette said:

Does anyone know how it is for those who have eg. an Army pension, and then a German income/pension as well?

 

In that case they would have to pay a public health contribution on all their worldwide income, including on that UK army pension, for details please see:

 

[rodisi 657]

On 12/15/2018, 12:01:43, Kommentarlos said:

 

Is she /he not currently with AOK?

I do not know about this at all. Just my impression from the relevant posts.

You've been reading my replies, Kommentarlos.  :)

On 12/15/2018, 10:35:45, kiplette said:

 

He is insured 'through the S1' which means that the NHS funds his AOK card, as it were, and his EHIC is provided through the UK. 

 

Pensioners are mostly in this situation. I think only those who never had a German income, but I may be wrong there.

 

Does anyone know how it is for those who have eg. an Army pension, and then a German income/pension as well? Are they S1 users, or are they now paying like other German residents? I think there was a change in 2011 or something. I have had many confusing conversations with veterans round my way, and have no real idea how it is supposed to work.

Nail on head kiplette.  Through the S1 agreement/form (or whatever it's called)

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If you are living in an EEA country or Switzerland and you receive an exportable UK pension, contribution-based Employment Support Allowance or another exportable benefit, you may be entitled to state healthcare paid for by the UK. You will need to apply for a certificate of entitlement known as an S1 form.

as for the EHIC

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Once you have registered your S1 in the country you are moving to, you will be entitled to apply for and use a UK-issued EHIC to access state-funded necessary medical treatment when you visit other EEA countries.

@kiplette, the answer to your question is here. It is also where I got my quotes from.

[ktanner 2]

Info from an event yesterday held jointly by the British Embassy and the Berlin Senate:

The Ausländerbehörde Berlin is strongly advising all British citizens resident in Berlin to register on their online registration system before Brexit day on 29.03.2019. There are 18,000 Brits officially in Berlin, but so far only 7,000 have registered on this system. Those who don´t  register by Brexit day could suffer serious consequences and may lose their right to stay in Germany. 

The registration process is simple and free. See https://www.berlin.de/labo/willkommen-in-berlin/freizuegigkeit-eu-ewr-schweiz/artikel.770947.en.php

People who have the old Freizügigkeitsbescheinigung will need to re-apply since these documents will no longer be valid.

Please tell your British friends about this. This procedure is only for residents of Berlin, but Brits in other locations should also make sure they have taken the necessary measures.

 

[starkebogen 149]

Thank you for this ktanner. 

 

Here in RLP it seems the position is a bit different.  This morning I received this mail from  the very helpful lady in our local Kreisverwaltung:

 

momentan müssen Sie noch nicht tätig werden, wir warten zunächst ab, wann und in welcher Form (geregelt oder ungeregelt) der Brexit stattfinden wird. Wir werden Sie dann unaufgefordert anschreiben und Ihnen die notwendigen Informationen zukommen lassen.

 

Gerne verweise ich auch auf unsere allgemeinen Informationen zum Brexit auf unserer Homepage: 

https://www.bernkastel-wittlich.de/aktuelles/details/news/der-brexit-und-seine-folgen/

[julian.stacey 1]

There's a Brexit meeting 19:30 Friday 17th May 2019,
Bavaria Saal 2, Wirts-haus Am Bavaria- park, Munich
http://www.berklix.eu/brexit/2019-05-17/
 

[scook17 292]

" If you do not live in Berlin, please consult your local Foreigners Registration Office. "

I am suprised this is a regional issue. I would have though a foreigner registers in Germany, not in a city of Germany. Is this the anmeldung thing?

 

I am wondering how this whole mess will work. How will freelancers, who have been in Germany a number of years, be affected? Will the Brits be just like an Indian guy applying for an IT role from abroad, someone who needs to be sponspored? I remember working for one German company and they got in trouble for employing a Canadian girl after her internship, because they didn't advertise the position for 6 months to try and find a local EU person.

 

How is working for clients outside of Germany affected? I work through a German agency, with clients in Germany and Austria.

 

I own a house in Germany and have lived here since 2004. Now I have to apply to be a resident of Germany? I remember having a small green card with my photo on, when I first came here, but shortly afterwards, they were abolished for EU citizens.

 

Oh, what a mess they created back home. I wonder, given the choice again, if Britian would vote differently?

[RedMidge 6,638]

9 minutes ago, scook17 said:

" If you do not live in Berlin, please consult your local Foreigners Registration Office. "

I am suprised this is a regional issue. I would have though a foreigner registers in Germany, not in a city of Germany. Is this the anmeldung thing?

 

I am wondering how this whole mess will work. How will freelancers, who have been in Germany a number of years, be affected? Will the Brits be just like an Indian guy applying for an IT role from abroad, someone who needs to be sponspored? I remember working for one German company and they got in trouble for employing a Canadian girl after her internship, because they didn't advertise the position for 6 months to try and find a local EU person.

 

How is working for clients outside of Germany affected? I work through a German agency, with clients in Germany and Austria.

 

I own a house in Germany and have lived here since 2004. Now I have to apply to be a resident of Germany? I remember having a small green card with my photo on, when I first came here, but shortly afterwards, they were abolished for EU citizens.

 

Oh, what a mess they created back home. I wonder, given the choice again, if Britian would vote differently?

Once Brexit actually hits, then we will be Non -EU.  So, unless Brits have Dual German-UK 

citizenship, then we will have to re-apply for residency. 

[snowingagain 5,441]

13 minutes ago, scook17 said:

" If you do not live in Berlin, please consult your local Foreigners Registration Office. "

I am suprised this is a regional issue. I would have though a foreigner registers in Germany, not in a city of Germany. Is this the anmeldung thing?

 

Some places with a lot of UK people such as  Berlin are trying to get prepared so they know who they have to deal with when or if Brexit  happens.  Other places with fewer Uk people are being more relaxed and think they can cope whenever and whatever happens.  It is the local offices that will deal with this.

[LeonG 14,850]

7 hours ago, scook17 said:

" If you do not live in Berlin, please consult your local Foreigners Registration Office. "

I am suprised this is a regional issue. I would have though a foreigner registers in Germany, not in a city of Germany. Is this the anmeldung thing?

 

No, it's the ABH thing (Ausländerbehörde).

 

7 hours ago, scook17 said:

I own a house in Germany and have lived here since 2004. Now I have to apply to be a resident of Germany? I remember having a small green card with my photo on, when I first came here, but shortly afterwards, they were abolished for EU citizens.

 

I am sure having been here so long that there is some visa you qualify for but you've really left it til the last minute.  in your shoes, I'd make an appointment with ABH asap to have a talk about what you need to apply for and get it going.