Irish Citizenship applications here in Germany

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Hi,

due to the ridiculous Brexit coming up in March, I am looking to continue my EU Citizenship (Currently British) via my Grandad's Irish Side.
For this I need to provide several documents from my Grandad (sadly passed away) including Original Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates.

For the Birth and Marriage Certificates, this shouldnt be a problem via my Uncle but the a Certified Death Certificate can only be supplied, is this enough to prove my Grandfathers Citizenship?

Also, am I correct in understanding that once the Foreign Birth Registration has completed, I can then and only then apply for an Irish Passport?
 

Any Info / help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

Sean

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48 minutes ago, skdb said:

... a Certified Death Certificate can only be supplied, is this enough to prove my Grandfathers Citizenship?


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Normally a Certified copy is sufficient for the authorities in any country.  

 

 

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5 hours ago, skdb said:

Also, am I correct in understanding that once the Foreign Birth Registration has completed, I can then and only then apply for an Irish Passport?

Yes, because you will only be a citizen from that date.

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6 hours ago, skdb said:

Hi,

due to the ridiculous Brexit coming up in March, I am looking to continue my EU Citizenship (Currently British) via my Grandad's Irish Side.
For this I need to provide several documents from my Grandad (sadly passed away) including Original Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates.

For the Birth and Marriage Certificates, this shouldnt be a problem via my Uncle but the a Certified Death Certificate can only be supplied, is this enough to prove my Grandfathers Citizenship?

Also, am I correct in understanding that once the Foreign Birth Registration has completed, I can then and only then apply for an Irish Passport?
 

Any Info / help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

Sean

 

I did this a few years ago via Berlin. Sure copies are fine. I ordered online from the Irish birth / death register (about 9 Euros per cert I think). And nothing needs to be certified as it's coming from an Irish agency and being sent to an Irish agency. But speak to the embassy if you need to, they're very helpful in my experience.

 

As for the passport. As you thought - you'll get on the foreign birth register and get a lovely certificate. This is what you need for a passport. Once you get that through you can also get a passport card which fits in your wallet and offers some helpful ID in Germany. 

 

 

 

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I am a dual British / Irish citizen and applied for my Irish passport in Berlin (got it 1 month before Brexit vote). I remember applying for the foreign birth registration and passport in one session. However, I do not remember getting a certificate of a foreign birth (I do have the Irish passport however). What does this look like? I am pretty sure I would have remembered it. I remember the people at the Irish embassy being very nice and helpful, although, a bit unorganized. Maybe they forgot to give it to me?

 

 

On 11/13/2018, 10:40:03, steviep said:

 

I did this a few years ago via Berlin. Sure copies are fine. I ordered online from the Irish birth / death register (about 9 Euros per cert I think). And nothing needs to be certified as it's coming from an Irish agency and being sent to an Irish agency. But speak to the embassy if you need to, they're very helpful in my experience.

 

As for the passport. As you thought - you'll get on the foreign birth register and get a lovely certificate. This is what you need for a passport. Once you get that through you can also get a passport card which fits in your wallet and offers some helpful ID in Germany. 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks guys for the Info...I have now started the ball rolling...still need to get a certified copy of my British Passport but what I understand is to take my passport to the local Rathaus and they will officialise it with their stamp.

 

If and hopefully when the Irish Citizenship comes through and I am officially in the "Duel Citizenship" Clan here in Germany, will all my official documentation need to be amended after March next year to change from British to Irish?

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@ skdb:

I'm curious: if you're British, are you not entitled to German citizenship?

Or are you choosing for various reasons not to take this option?

 

(FTR I have both British and Irish citizenships.)

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@onemark:

I am entitled, in more ways than one but for Family & Heritage, the first option was to keep the Irish which could stay in my blood so to speak, and also give the option to be passed to my kids etc...if that fails, then of course, German Citizenship. 

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Don´t you need to prove that this really is your grandfather ? I would have thought you must also send a birth certificate from  whichever parent is his child and one that you are a child of this person?

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I am not quite clear regarding the application on basis of Irish parents:

 

My mother is Irish, and I have collected her birth/marriage certificate etc.

 

But the application also calls for my grandmother's birth/death certificates. Are they still required despite my mother being Irish ? I could call the Embassy but I imagine they are sick of being asked !

 

Anyone know, before I start to request my granny's stuff ?

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On 15.11.2018, 12:04:22, skdb said:

 I am officially in the "Duel Citizenship" Clan

 

pun, or misspelling?

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2 hours ago, bor said:

I am not quite clear regarding the application on basis of Irish parents:

 

My mother is Irish, and I have collected her birth/marriage certificate etc.

 

But the application also calls for my grandmother's birth/death certificates. Are they still required despite my mother being Irish ? I could call the Embassy but I imagine they are sick of being asked !

 

Anyone know, before I start to request my granny's stuff ?

 

You do not need any paperwork connected to your grandparents, from what you said 

 

read here 

https://www.dfa.ie/passports-citizenship/citizenship/born-abroad/registering-a-foreign-birth/

for details and the documents you need.

 

you are applying to register your birth in Ireland, which gives you Irish citizenship. The process will take a while ...

 

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19 hours ago, bor said:

I am not quite clear regarding the application on basis of Irish parents:

 

My mother is Irish, and I have collected her birth/marriage certificate etc.

 

But the application also calls for my grandmother's birth/death certificates. Are they still required despite my mother being Irish ? I could call the Embassy but I imagine they are sick of being asked !

 

Anyone know, before I start to request my granny's stuff ?

 

You should not need to request your grandparent's documentation. I applied for an Irish passport at the embassy in Berlin (I was born in the USA) in early 2016. My father was born in Ireland. I needed: 1) father's birth certificate (long form) 2) parent's marriage certificate (long form) 3) my birth certificate (long form) 4) US passport 5) proof of residency in Germany. That was it, I did not need to show anything about my grandparents, since it was my parent that was born in Ireland. Since you say was also your parent that was born in Ireland (and your parent was presumably an Irish citizen), you do not need a certificate that your birth has been added to the Irish foreign birth registry. I emailed the Irish embassy to confirm this, and they replied:

 

If you received the passport through your Grandparent being born on the island of Ireland, you would have completed a process called Foreign Birth Registration and a certificate would have been issued. Since you are applying on the basis that one of your Parents were born in Ireland, you do not need to complete the Foreign Birth Registration process, and subsequently no certificate needs to be issued.

 

If you are still unsure, email them, or just go to the embassy (in early 2016 an appointment at the Irish embassy in Berlin was not required).

 

PS, I applied for the passport in February 2016 and received it in April 2016 (it took about 6 weeks).

 

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The irish ctizenship website is actually amazingly clear on what is required, depending on the relationship through which you are applying, and also, depending on where you were born. 

 

If your parent was born in Ireland, and you also, you would of course already have an Irish birth cert. However, if you were born outside the island of Ireland, you do need to be put on the register of foreign births before you can apply for the passport. (Even though you have always been an Irish citizen by right, by virtue of your Irish parent.)

I did this recently here and it was quite quick and painless. But I did not get a nice shiny cert, just a boring reference number which you send in with your passport application!

 

If for any reason you need to resort to the grandparent line, obtaining acceptable copies is not difficult or expensive.

 

When you get your passport, bring it along to your Einwohnermeldeamt. They will copy it and add the details to their files. No charge.

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Thanks.

 

A copy of my grandma's birth certificate turned up in my mailbox yesterday morning, which I only ordered about ten days ago, so incredibly quick if needed.

 

I was hoping for my citizenship cert to be on parchment or something, but will be more than happy with a reference number.

 

(Bit off-topic, but coincidentally just ordered a replacement passport for my mum, online in about ten mins. Very efficient set-up now ! )

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skdb, your plans sounds find apart from the fact that if you pursue German citizenship after Brexit, you will likely have to renounce British citizenship unless you find an exception. So, the priority would have been German first, then Irish, or both concurrently.

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Depends where you live. I finally got to submit my application for German citizenship to Landkreis Havelland last week after they refused to accept my C2 cert from a private school in Berlin last August (after waiting ages for that appointment) and despite me being obviously fluent and made me do a telc test at the VHS instead (again had to wait for test and 10 weeks later the results!). Then they told me they are currently granting citizenship to those applicants who submitted their applications in Q1 2017 so not to hold my breath and that if I need citizenship for a specific reason like wanting to work in certain jobs for the government that I should write to them with evidence of such. From starting the process it will likely have taken 3 years which is dreadfully slow by anyone's standards.

 

I'm in no rush as I'm Irish but just want to be able to vote here but I have no reason to even suspect my Landkreis is even the slowest nationally.

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