Gender neutral toilets.

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yes I think the most bang for the buck would be gender neutral *stalls* and a separate area (if those who can stand prefer some privacy) for pissoirs/urinals.

 

this would be hands down the most efficient way to implement public toilets.  It always makes me crazy when the men's room has as many stalls as the women's room, yet they go largely unused by the men.  Stupid!

 

(hehehehe I am 12 yso today - everything is stupid)

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3 minutes ago, lisa13 said:

(if those who can stand prefer some privacy)

 

I don't care about their privacy - I don't want to see it. :P

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30 minutes ago, lisa13 said:

 

I don't care one whit who is the stall next to me.  I just don't.  Why would I care? 

 

 

You wouldnt be saying that if it was me sat in the next cabin having "The dump of the day"...  beleive me!

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but ok now we apparently need three categories:  urinals (easy) and two types of stalls segregated by INTENDED USE

 

60 euro fine for pooping in a pee-only stall?

 

this is getting way too complicated.  nevermind.

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I seem to remember seeing a few both sex restrooms when I was living in east Germany about 15 years ago. There were no urinals only a row of toilets with partitions and doors. 

 

In California gender neutral restrooms have become the norm in gas stations and fast food restaurants. In the nicer establishments bathrooms are still male and female separated.

 

Don't like the idea myself. Men and women need their own place when taking care of that business.

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Dunno about gender neutral toilets as a concept. What I DO know: I don´t know ANY public toilets on Crete. At tavernas, at bus stations..there are toilets. But nothing else.

Anyway, they are mostly really unhygienic and anyway you don´t put toilet paper into the loo..the pipes are  too thin.So into a bin next to the toilet. Warnings everywhere!

 

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10 hours ago, snowingagain said:

 

Front hole now means vagina??  

Surely middle hole?

 

8 ball in the side pocket.

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It's probably God's will.  God moves in a mysterious way, his wonders to perform.

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On 10/5/2018, 2:26:32, fraufruit said:

The same fight has been going on in the U.S. for quite some time now, notably in North Carolina.

 

I am aware that I have been peeing beside transvestites in women's toilets all of my life with no adverse effects. I have no problem continuing to do so. It is the rednecks and the Christian right who seem to have the biggest problem with it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

 

It's unfortunate that Christians have turned this into a culture war thing as the issue of Gender vs Sex is extremely important. It's less an issue of unisex toilets and more an issue of single sex places. There is a huge push being done by activists to change from sex (fixed) to gender. This means that spaces that used to be reserved to women (trigger warning the following is considered to seriously transphobic) that is "Adult Human Female". By men I'm referring to cross dressers not people who've had sex change operations. 

 

Here are some examples, which I think are just the tip of the iceberg

 

  • Contests and events that used to be for women only are now women and non binary, meaning anyone can go. 
  •  A large youth hostel chain which always had male female sleeping arrangements has now changed sex to gender. Overnight trains operators have done the same. This means that even though you booked women only sleeping compartments you could be sharing it with man.
  • Sports, in schools boys are now allowed to compete against girls, giving them a huge advantage
  • A major push to make all change rooms at schools unisex, parents be dammed. 
  • Beauty Salons that do waxing have had human rights complaints filed against them for refusing to do transmen. In one memorial case it was a Muslim lady who had compliant filed against her. It's a great way to force your competitors into bankruptcy. 
  • Women only fitness studios are having issues with men showing up and demanding access. Same with change rooms and showers. 
  • Lesbians who say they don't like "cock" are shamed as TERFs and attached and driven out. Remember lesbains have penses
  • The UK is going through a consultation process on reforming the Gender Reconstruction act. Women's Place UK has held 17 meetings to discuss how this will affect women. Each time they been attacked harassed beaten up etc. Even discussing this issue is considered now hate speech.
  • In the UK a post like this will get a visit and a warning from the police (unless I'm Muslim than it's OK)

 

Much more disturbing are the fact predators are taking advance of the new rules to gain access to women only spaces. Most famously was the case of Karen White convicted rapist who claimed he was trans and was put in the general population in a women prison. He proceeded to rape 4 women in the space of a week. He opps she, was finally moved back into the men's prison. 

 

  • In Vancouver there is a major push by the left and unions to shut down the only rape crisis center operating there. The fact that there is a 18 month waiting list for help matters little to them.
  • In Ontario women's shelters are now open to men. Ladies that complain are booted out and taken to court as a human rights violation
  • Again in Ontario a predator got access to a women shelter and attached several women. 

 

Most distributing of all is the medical community. If you 16 year old daughter suffers from Rapid Onset Gender dysphoria, she can make an appoint with a surgeon who will happily cut off her breasts and put her on puberty blockers. If said female grows us and realizes she made a mistake and decides to de-transition AND talk about it publicly, she'll be attacked on and offline. Most are too terrified to talk about this. Matter of fact there was a case where the grandparents (WTF) paid for the breast removal surgery only to the granddaughter change her mind a few years latter. She now is sterile and has no breasts. 

 

As I said it's unfortunate that Christians have turned this into a cultural war thingy as this is an extremely important issue that is not being discussed

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, john g. said:

:lol:Isn´t God gender-neutral, hoops? Please keep up with the times!!!!

 

"god" comes indeed from a neutral word. At some point it turned masculine though...

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Being spared from men's public restrooms is a perk of womanhood I don't want to give up.  I'm still hoping for doors someday on the women's changing rooms at the local pool in my neighborhood in Hamburg.

 

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On 05/10/2018, 16:41:11, Tim Hortons Man said:

man oh man that's every teen boys fantasy access to the girls changing rooms! Girl guides recently changed the rules to allow (self declared) men to share sleeping and toliet faclities with young girls. What could possibly go wrong with men sleep in the same room as young girls. Of course any leader who makes parents aware of this is booted out as a TERF!

 

If you've ever been in a unisex change room at a pool or sauna or whatever, then you quickly realize it's not a big deal. You sneak a peek maybe, appreciate perhaps, but the more you see it, the less you wonder or titter. This is not that revolutionary, but a more casual attitude and less uptight to nudity results in less obsession and puerility over sexual mores later on. We obsess over what we can't have, and when that's a basic biologic drive... well, it's not hard to see the effects of what excessive sexual repression does. (That said, I think our commercial/media society is much too 'pornographied' as it is...)

 

As for sleeping areas in girl guides etc., these are supervised children in any case. I see it more as a theoretical point-scoring exercise for the media rather than much of an actual event.

 

As for unisex toilets: single cabins, fine. Access for trannies, whatever. But in multi-stall bathrooms, I don't think most men and women want to TCOB next to anyone if possible, much less members of the other sex... You have to pick your battles.

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On 10/9/2018, 8:58:40, Tim Hortons Man said:

 

It's unfortunate that Christians have turned this into a culture war thing as the issue of Gender vs Sex is extremely important. It's less an issue of unisex toilets and more an issue of single sex places. There is a huge push being done by activists to change from sex (fixed) to gender. This means that spaces that used to be reserved to women (trigger warning the following is considered to seriously transphobic) that is "Adult Human Female". By men I'm referring to cross dressers not people who've had sex change operations. 

 

Even transpeople have had to suffer intruders in their spaces.  Support groups for transwomen may contain gawkers and transfans and they are told by support centers where they meet that they must accept all male born persons who want to attend.  Support groups for transmen likewise may contain female born and female identifying curious, fans, sociologists, journalists, what have you and they are being told the same thing.

 

As for trans kids, I don't think puberty blockers are a bad thing though because as far as I know, they don't cause any permanent damage and can really help kids who are not ready for puberty as the "wrong sex" to them. However, I'd put an age limit on surgeries at 18.

 

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57 minutes ago, LeonG said:

As for trans kids, I don't think puberty blockers are a bad thing though because as far as I know, they don't cause any permanent damage and can really help kids who are not ready for puberty as the "wrong sex" to them. However, I'd put an age limit on surgeries at 18.

 

 

I cannot claim to be much of an authority, but as I understand it puberty blockers are likely to cause infertility, and have several other common side effects.  Considering that they are a treatment for dysphoria which has a huge suicide rate Id say that the risks are worth taking, but I dont think its true to say that there are no permanent effects.  That said when people start talking about trans toddlers I do feel that there should be a lower age limit for any kind of treatment (though I dont have a clue what age that should be).

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2 hours ago, LeonG said:

they don't cause any permanent damage

 

Apart from potentially irreversible sterility, of course. Though that depends on how young it is started, and how long it lasts. Testicles may later be able to produce viable sperm depending on how long any chemicals have been administered and in what doses... Or maybe not. The truth is that any child or teenager taking puberty blocking chemicals is an experiment.

 

Perhaps fertility is of little concern, but hindsight is always 20/20...

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