Diesel cars banned in Frankfurt

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16 minutes ago, AnswerToLife42 said:

 

What's the purpose of a hill assist?

 

It's not to help you going up a hill, but to stop you coming down too quickly! ;)

 

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25 minutes ago, AnswerToLife42 said:

With my car I can drive up and down hills without any problems.

What's the purpose of a hill assist?

 

When you stop uphill (i.e. in a traffic light) and want to start moving forward again, the hill assist will prevent you from rolling back if you are not fast enough and your car has manual transmission.    It is very old technology, like 80 years old that was pretty much ignored but for some reason became hip in the past 10 years.

 

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I first thought, it must be a kind of Viagra to help drivers who are only used to the flatlands of Northern Germany going up hills.

 

Back to the post:

There was a report on german TV on Monday where they measured the NOx at different locations.

In an apartment they measured 70µg/m³. The reason: gas heating in the apartment.

They lit two candles: 130µg/m³.

They switched on two burners of a gas stove: 1300µg/m³.

 

The 40µg/m³ limit is absolutely nonsens. It only creates problems.

In the US the limit is 103µg/m³, 57µg/m³ in California.

Even with the Californian limits no town in Germany would have any problems.

The only reason for the 40µg/m³ limit is to kill the German car industry.

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5 hours ago, AnswerToLife42 said:

With my car I can drive up and down hills without any problems.

What's the purpose of a hill assist?

The car is stopped. It detects it is on a hill, so it will hold the break for 2 seconds while you take your foot out of the brake into the accelerator. Result: car won´t slide.

Nothing fundamental, but one of many convenient features of premium cars.

AFAIK this is not necessary on automatic gear cars.

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1 hour ago, MikeMelga said:

The car is stopped. It detects it is on a hill, so it will hold the break for 2 seconds while you take your foot out of the brake into the accelerator. Result: car won´t slide.

Nothing fundamental, but one of many convenient features of premium cars.

AFAIK this is not necessary on automatic gear cars.

I always thought that was what the handbrake was for.:D

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18 minutes ago, keith2011 said:

I always thought that was what the handbrake was for.:D

Nah, you need the hand brake for some fun wheelies!

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On 1/7/2019, 8:01:01, Janx Spirit said:

Add to that the smug satisfaction of actually saving the planet instead of spewing petrochemical exhaust fumes and killing the planet and its inhabitants, I see only a win win situation.

 

Soon we will look at ICE car drivers the same way we look at smokers. A filthy habit best kicked ;) 

We are discussing the banning of cars in Frankfurt and not the saving of the planet.  However, if you want to discuss the latter, then I suggest the banning of all meat production as that is worse than all forms of transport in the world put together. Would you go with that?

 

On 1/7/2019, 8:05:22, MikeMelga said:

Battery swap idea is currently dead. Read above, charging times are much faster than FUD guys state.

You can micro generate at home. As I've said before, 8-16sqm of solar panels + Tesla power wall are more than enough for self sustainability. Investment pays off quite fast, especially if you have 2 EV. Add a heat pump to the mix and you have very cheap heating too.

I don't own a house here, otherwise that would be my plan within the next 2-3 years.

I'm sitting here imagining (again) what it would be like if we all earned lots of money and could afford expensive electric cars and have solar panels at home including Tesla power and with a lovely heat pump, to feed our cars. BTW, my laptop replacement battery costs 120 euro.  How much will replacement car batteries cost?

 

On 1/8/2019, 7:52:07, keith2011 said:

Have you considered other forms of travel rather than taking your car back to the UK? You can get fast trains (ICE & Eurostar) from Munich to St Pancras for as little as €69 per person each way and possibly cheaper from stations further north, I would think that would be quicker than the car and ferry and you could always rent a car in the UK with the advantage of having the steering wheel on the correct side!

There seems to be a major difference depending on the time of day, up to about 9 pm assuming you can reach the speed limit every traffic light seems to be at red, later they all turn green and driving becomes a breeze!

So, spend lots of time trying to find these amazing DB deals, which usually are for a time three months from now, and let's assume only two people going, then on top of the 276 euro (return) add the parking or taxi at the beginning of your travel then add the ridiculous fares on British trains then arrange for someone to pick you up at your destination or another taxi. Oops I forgot, I have to organise and pay for a rental car.  Now do we really need to discuss convenience? I think we can all agree that you can't beat the boot of the car for all the crap that you want to take with you.

It costs me with she who must be obeyed about 100 euro in fuel (return) plus about 100 euro in ferry costs and I can get on one sailing before or one later than the one booked.  End of story.

 

9 hours ago, kaffeemitmilch said:

So, this ban is definitely on? From the beginning of next month?

No, the State court decided against it.

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13 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

Nah, you need the hand brake for some fun wheelies!

 

A lot of the modern cars now actually have electronic hand brakes, which means that you can't do handbrake turns anymore!

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, rodisi said:

I'm sitting here imagining (again) what it would be like if we all earned lots of money and could afford expensive electric cars and have solar panels at home including Tesla power and with a lovely heat pump, to feed our cars. BTW, my laptop replacement battery costs 120 euro.  How much will replacement car batteries cost?

1) Tesla has an 8 year warranty on the battery. Degradation after 8 years is less than 15% of capacity. A Tesla will break well before you need a battery swap.

 

2) EV revolution is inevitable. You will probably be called an idiot in 5-7 years if you buy an ICE car. There are a few exceptions, like super cheap cars. So stop being a naysayer and get used to the idea.

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15 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Tesla has an 8 year warranty on the battery. Degradation after 8 years is less than 15% of capacity. A Tesla will break well before you need a battery swap.

If that´s the case why would anyone buy a car that will be broken down within 8 years? For comparison my daughter´s 1998 Toyota which is (converted to LPG) has more than 300000km on the clock and is still going strong.

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3 minutes ago, jeba said:

If that´s the case why would anyone buy a car that will be broken down within 8 years?

 

I think you are confusing battery degradation with being broken.  Your 6 months smartphone and notebook have already some battery degradation, you still continue using them without any problems, except slightly reduced battery life.

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1 hour ago, jeba said:

If that´s the case why would anyone buy a car that will be broken down within 8 years? For comparison my daughter´s 1998 Toyota which is (converted to LPG) has more than 300000km on the clock and is still going strong.

As Krieg said.

And notice that I´ve mentioned that on average you only lose at most 15% of capacity over 8 years.

Anothe thing is that if you have to replace the battery within 8 years, you will get a brand new tech battery, probably much cheaper or with longer range.

This is something you cannot do with an ICE car. An EV car can in theory last much longer, as you can easily replace the battery with newer tech.

 

Here is a good article on a guy using Tesla as a taxi:

https://insideevs.com/tesla-vehicles-great-taxis/

 

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When eHawk passed the 200,000-mile (321.000km) mark a year ago, Tesloop CEO Rahul Sonnad estimated that the battery had degraded only about 6 percent.

 

Here is a more extreme case ( 643,737 km ):

https://electrek.co/2018/07/17/tesla-model-s-holds-up-400000-miles-3-years/

 

 

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Why would I buy a car that would be Broken after 8years?

 

37grand according tm MM.. is 4600€ per year plus fuel plus repairs....   

 

Again... Fuck that for a game of soldiers..

 

 

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The car won't be broken, the battery would be slightly degraded.   It is not a big deal as you are making it sound.

 

So if the car originally could do around 300km per charge, after 8 years it would be able to do 280km per charge, or 255km per charge if you take the pessimistic estimates.  And it is not that you are "losing" money when charging, the economy would be almost the same, just you can't put that many KWh into the battery like at the beginning.  So it is just the "tank" becoming a bit smaller.

 

ICE cars fuel economy degrades with the time due to engine and drive train wear and tear.   And in that case, you do lose money.   

 

Electric car engine wear tear is probably minimal compared to ICE cars.   Drive train wear and tear should be lesser too.

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16 hours ago, rodisi said:

So, spend lots of time trying to find these amazing DB deals, which usually are for a time three months from now, and let's assume only two people going, then on top of the 276 euro (return) add the parking or taxi at the beginning of your travel then add the ridiculous fares on British trains then arrange for someone to pick you up at your destination or another taxi. Oops I forgot, I have to organise and pay for a rental car.  Now do we really need to discuss convenience? I think we can all agree that you can't beat the boot of the car for all the crap that you want to take with you.

It costs me with she who must be obeyed about 100 euro in fuel (return) plus about 100 euro in ferry costs and I can get on one sailing before or one later than the one booked.  End of story.

 

 

Well at least you considered it!

For me from Munich the DB option looks much more attractive. Even assuming I could find a 100 euro ferry fare, which I haven't done yet, the additional mileage, time and toll charges in France makes driving a non starter.

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Will my 3.5m long Ladders fit on top of a Tesla?  

Will I be able to get to Munich and back from Franfurt in 16hrs ( Incl 5 hrs work) with Ladders and costing 90€ in diesel...

 

Because I can do that in my current vehicle that is more than 8 years old....   

 

 

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2 minutes ago, SpiderPig said:

Will my 3.5m long Ladders fit on top of a Tesla?  

Will I be able to get to Munich and back from Franfurt in 16hrs ( Incl 5 hrs work) with Ladders and costing 90€ in diesel...

 

Because I can do that in my current vehicle that is more than 8 years old...   

 

 

 

Yes, easily. Using a Model X and including a 15 minute charge-up on the way, it takes 4 hours 20.

 

https://www.tesla.com/trips#/?v=MX_2017_100D&o=Munich,%20Germany_Munich%20Upper%20Bavaria%20BY@48.1351253,11.581980499999986&s=&d=Frankfurt,%20Germany_Frankfurt%20DA%20HE@50.1109221,8.682126700000026

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Sorry.. No ladder rack available as they are Gull-wing... plus the wind drag would wreck the efficiency..

 

Plus I dont have the 100 grand to throw away..

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