Diesel cars banned in Frankfurt

[yesterday 2,041]

2 hours ago, fraufruit said:

 

That article is from 2016 and no more relevant. Tesla chargers cost money to use. Your article says they are free.

 

We see many Teslas charging at "our" non Tesla charging stations. We can also use the Tesla chargers.

yes, sorry you are correct. I shoild have checked it better before posting

[MikeMelga 7,345]

4 hours ago, yesterday said:

 

If you replace a Tesla battery with another Tesla battery how does that add weight ??? How does it weaken the structure ???

 

As I said before, some degree of standardization of batteries will be need to make this work 

You don't understand. Just by having a removable battery will add easily 250kg to the car! Please, if you don't understand, just accept it, it's just bad engineering.

 

4 hours ago, yesterday said:

Tesla Supercharger Abuse Must Stop, Musk Says | Digital Trends

Tesla users are not happy with the current network, as there Super charges available at some places

 

Got any links to back that up ???, no I did not think so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds

 

It's frustrating discussion engineering with people which are not engineers.

 

4 hours ago, yesterday said:

 

 

So why would swapping one tesla battery for another one make the car much heavier and weaker ??? It does not make sense

A) you cannot use the battery as structure

b ) you need to add extra weight and volume to make it swappable.

 

Please, it's really frustrating if you can't understand basic engineering stuff like this. 

[MikeMelga 7,345]

4 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

And only private people buy cars?  Or does a person who buys a sub-34k car have a standard of life inferior to corporations?  And you talk about crappy arguments.  Be careful with an irony overdose.

Most cars are bought by private people. You and a lot of people on this forum are out of touch. And somehow you think I'm out of touch. Fortunately I have stats to back me up.

You somehow think the vast majority just waits for second hand cars to show up from the sky? Who used them before? Angels?

 

4 hours ago, Krieg said:

And why standards of life are attached to owning a car?   Dig more.

It's not. He placed himself in that category by rejecting statistics.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

3 hours ago, yesterday said:

 

 

Currently Tesla batteries are not designed to be replaceable, which is why it does not work for Tesla.

 

But there is no real reason why they cannot be made replaceable, sure it would not work for older Tesla's without ( expensive ) modification.

 

China has shown it can be done, its just Musk does not like the idea, so it will not happen to Tesla car's.

LOL, please STOP!

Tesla tried it several years ago and saw it made no sense. It's OK to recognize when you're wrong. Tesla tried it. Doesn't make sense.

 

https://www.vehiclesuggest.com/what-happened-tesla-battery-swap/

 

[fraufruit 42,671]

Straight up question, MM. Would you have bought an EV if you had no possiblity to charge at home and/or work? If you were completely dependent on public charging?

 

Not arguing. They just aren't for everybody.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

7 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

Straight up question, MM. Would you have bought an EV if you had no possiblity to charge at home and/or work? If you were completely dependent on public charging?

 

Not arguing. They just aren't for everybody.

I thought about that possibility. I have no issue within Munich. I would supercharge once every 10 days while shopping. That's it.

I used to do shopping in Pasing Arcaden when I lived in the south of Munich. They have Tesla superchargers in the garage. I would be still shopping when the car would go to 100%.

https://goo.gl/maps/b4ku8LTWA39jJPr57

 

I do 1h shopping on Saturday morning. That's perfect.

There is also another supercharger near my house, in Neufahrn, another shopping location.

https://goo.gl/maps/tPqCWk6JuAN1TxZF6

 

Also others in the south of Munich.

 

Forget public charging, this will never be the solution.

Besides PRIVATE charging networks (forget public), I can charge both at my wife's company and my new company.

 

Regarding home charging, that was one mandatory criteria when I was looking for a new place 5 years ago. Many options on the market.

[fraufruit 42,671]

5 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

I would supercharge once every 10 days while shopping.

 

So you can drive to work and back and do everything with one charge every 10 days? Impressive.

 

When I say public charging, I mean everything outside of home and work.

 

We wouldn't have bought our EV if we couldn't charge at home.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

11 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

 

So you can drive to work and back and do everything with one charge every 10 days? Impressive.

 

Just got this from my Tesla app. Ignore it's in dollars, I started charging at my wife's work in September. After that we managed to optimize it to the point where we do almost all charging at her company. And that's 30km away from home. Sometimes she gets there with 50% charge.

I only need to charge at home when I do more than 1 big trip per week. I could do it at supercharger, but it's cheaper at home. The only supercharger expenses is when I go really far away. For example, going to Austria (e.g Innsbruck) and back doesn't require any charging.

 

 

[Krieg 15,105]

20 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Most cars are bought by private people. You and a lot of people on this forum are out of touch. And somehow you think I'm out of touch. Fortunately I have stats to back me up.

 

 

Corporate cars are 63% of the total sales per year.  You have no clue.

[Eric7 555]

1 minute ago, Krieg said:

 

Corporate cars are 63% of the total sales per year.  You have no clue.

 

I'd say it's probably even higher than that in the +€50k bracket.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

3 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

Corporate cars are 63% of the total sales per year.  You have no clue.

You pay 1% of the value of the car per month, making it AS EXPENSIVE as personal purchase. You have no clue.

Don't you think my companies offered it to me? It doesn't pay off unless it's EV.

[Krieg 15,105]

You said most cars were sold private and that's wrong.  You have no clue.

[fraufruit 42,671]

Pretty good stats there, MM.

[MikeMelga 7,345]

1 minute ago, Krieg said:

You said most cars were sold private and that's wrong.  You have no clue.

Company cars in Germany in most cases are the same for the employee as if they were directly bought, which means for mean car cost it's the same. Argument stands.

 

 

[mtbiking 1,914]

16 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

You pay 1% of the value of the car per month, making it AS EXPENSIVE as personal purchase. You have no clue.

Don't you think my companies offered it to me? It doesn't pay off unless it's EV.

hmm, I thought you paid tax on that 1% per month as that’s the computed salary equivalent. Which means at the highest tax rate €250/month for a €60,000 car. 

[Krieg 15,105]

15 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Company cars in Germany in most cases are the same for the employee as if they were directly bought, which means for mean car cost it's the same. Argument stands.

 

 

 

I believe you are a manager. You said something blatantly wrong and somehow you insist you are correct.  

[MikeMelga 7,345]

13 minutes ago, mtbiking said:

hmm, I thought you paid tax on that 1% per month as that’s the computed salary equivalent. Which means at the highest tax rate €250/month for a €60,000 car. 

Are you sure? I don't find any such limit. Perhaps we can ask our resident tax expert?

[MikeMelga 7,345]

5 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

I believe you are a manager. You said something blatantly wrong and somehow you insist you are correct.  

Your numbers check, but you're missing that these include leasing, i.e. they count as company cars, although they are personal cars financed in a leasing deal.

[slammer 889]

21 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Company cars in Germany in most cases are the same for the employee as if they were directly bought, which means for mean car cost it's the same. Argument stands.

 

 

I drive a company clanger, and I pay my 1% for private usage... All repairs and maintenance are in the one percent along with the fuel I use for jaloping around Deutschland. It simply comes with the territory, IF I were to use it only for work, I would need to keep a log book, (something I will never, ever do) and I would need a second car for my own use and that doesnt make sense, at least to me.

I have a ´93 model Honda ST 1100 for joy rides that I bought for 1500 Euros and I have had it now for over four years, if, been a really good bike, but as soon as or when a major repair comes a-knocking I will simply sell it for parts and get myself a new ride. So I don´t understand the point you are trying to make.

[Fietsrad 432]

1 hour ago, Krieg said:

 

Corporate cars are 63% of the total sales per year.  You have no clue.

63% of the value of sales, or 63% of the number of vehicles?

 

Are not many leased rather than bought?