Diesel cars banned in Frankfurt

[scook17 292]

10 hours ago, Keleth said:

All the roofs of all of our halls are covered in panels but the company doesn´t use the electricity it is merely sold on.

 

Not sure what are 'our halls', but I am guessing you are talking about a school, gym or similar environment.

It's sad that the electricity is not consumed and the surplus sold on, rather than it just being directed to the grid for profit. The amount paid for solar will be around one third, at most, of what the 'halls' are charged from the grid for drawing power.

I might guess that it's simpler to get paid by the electricity company, than to charge the site plus the electricity company for their consumption. If the site is actually a bunch of apartments, then the billing is a nightmare unless it's part of a standing charge.

By default with grid connected solar, your surplus production flows to the grid and anything turned on inside the house is first powered by solar before considering if there is a surplus or negative amount which needs to flow to/from the grid. Collect 12c for sending and pay 36c for receiving. Likely far more for commercial places like supermarkets.

 

[Keleth 9,348]

24 minutes ago, scook17 said:

Not sure what are 'our halls'

No an industrial plant that is split up into many big units.

[MikeMelga 7,346]

On 2/9/2023, 10:45:17, yesterday said:

So why would swapping one tesla battery for another one make the car much heavier and weaker ??? It does not make sense

Because it adds some 250kg of structural weight to the car. On the new Tesla, the battery IS the structure! That saves 150kg of weight. On top of that, you would need extra structure and space to make it removable. Add easily another 100kg.

 

On 2/9/2023, 10:45:17, yesterday said:

Changing the battery in 7 mins, saves the time at the charging station, lets make EV's work, I want them to work better

Lol, waiting queue??? A Tesla Supercharger has usually 8-12 stalls. A battery replacement station would NOT have 8-12 battery replacement stalls for the same money. So they would just have one. Meaning you would have a queue.

 

On 2/9/2023, 10:45:17, yesterday said:

Improving loading time makes the negatives of EV's better, you should be happy with this improvement.

Also people with no home loading, can just drive and change the battery, it makes there life's better

You're making the car more expensive, less efficient, less safe, more prone for repairs, just to potentially save (if any!) a few minutes on the sporadic long trip. It's just bad engineering.

 

 

[MikeMelga 7,346]

16 hours ago, yesterday said:

OK, but this Winter has been one of the greyest  that I have known, while I have been in Germany. I guess they do not get much power on these grey days

The expensive parts in solar installations are the supports, the inverters and the installation costs. Placing a lot of panels on a flat rooftop is cheap per kW generated. LIDL and IKEA are already doing it.

[MikeMelga 7,346]

On 2/10/2023, 9:09:58, Krieg said:

This one of the dumbest things I've read in TT.   Because someone does not have an average priced car then his standards of life are below average.   LoL

 

When someone tries to make a generalization and he is not representative of the population, then you get shitty arguments. The fact is the average new car price in Germany is 34k. 

He put himself in the lower-than-average bin, because he made an argument for it.

[jeba 4,364]

On 9.2.2023, 21:24:17, MikeMelga said:

That's not how it works. You need to take in account vehicle efficiency. Your math is wrong. The math is done at cost per km. It's wrong to convert kWh to liters.

 

I did take efficiency into account. This is what I said:

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1 kWh of Diesel costs about 17 Cents. Even if you assume that EVs are 50% more efficient than Diesel cars their fuel cost is higher.

 

[fraufruit 42,697]

54 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Because it adds some 250kg of structural weight to the car. On the new Tesla, the battery IS the structure! That saves 150kg of weight. On top of that, you would need extra structure and space to make it removable. Add easily another 100kg.

 

Lol, waiting queue??? A Tesla Supercharger has usually 8-12 stalls. A battery replacement station would NOT have 8-12 battery replacement stalls for the same money. So they would just have one. Meaning you would have a queue.

 

You're making the car more expensive, less efficient, less safe, more prone for repairs, just to potentially save (if any!) a few minutes on the sporadic long trip. It's just bad engineering.

 

 

 

B.b.b.but they're doing it in China.

[MikeMelga 7,346]

44 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

 

B.b.b.but they're doing it in China.

Yeah, and losing a lot of money per car. Either Nio changes their approach or they will go bust.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/finance/why-did-nio-take-a-58111-million-loss-last-quarter/439161#:~:text=Although%20NIO%20recorded%20record%2Dhigh,margins%2C%20and%20inflated%20operating%20expenses.

[MikeMelga 7,346]

1 hour ago, jeba said:

 

I did take efficiency into account. This is what I said:

 

No, because you assumed EVs are 50% more efficient, while they are much more efficient than that. EVs are around 200% more efficient than diesel. So your whole logic is wrong.

[slammer 889]

On 9.2.2023, 21:56:45, MadAxeMurderer said:

 

[slammer 889]

Perhaps I am a minority here, but in my humble opinion ICE cars peaked in the late seventies, early eighties, cars then were cheap, no frills affairs that either worked or they didn’t. Anybody who knew the difference between a screwdriver and a socketset could repair it in the driveway and if you could use a strobe on the distributor it would run anyway you wanted it.

I think that today’s cars use too much Technology for too little gain. Manufacturers spend millions in development for a tiny tweak that is only noticeable on specialized equipment and don’t get me started on the tech you need to cram into making an EV move. In the end it’s just a car.

[yesterday 2,044]

2 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

Because it adds some 250kg of structural weight to the car. On the new Tesla, the battery IS the structure! That saves 150kg of weight. On top of that, you would need extra structure and space to make it removable. Add easily another 100kg.

 

If you replace a Tesla battery with another Tesla battery how does that add weight ??? How does it weaken the structure ???

 

As I said before, some degree of standardization of batteries will be need to make this work 

 

 

 

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Lol, waiting queue??? A Tesla Supercharger has usually 8-12 stalls. A battery replacement station would NOT have 8-12 battery replacement stalls for the same money. So they would just have one. Meaning you would have a queue.

Tesla Supercharger Abuse Must Stop, Musk Says | Digital Trends

Tesla users are not happy with the current network, as there Super charges available at some places

 

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You're making the car more expensive, less efficient, less safe, more prone for repairs, just to potentially save (if any!) a few minutes on the sporadic long trip. It's just bad engineering.

 

Got any links to back that up ???, no I did not think so

 

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On 09/02/2023, 20:29:42, MikeMelga said:

That's the worst charging method. The car will be much heavier, weaker, and you need 10% of the batteries to be on hold for the next customer.

 

So why would swapping one tesla battery for another one make the car much heavier and weaker ??? It does not make sense

 

52 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Yeah, and losing a lot of money per car. Either Nio changes their approach or they will go bust.

https://www.entrepreneur.com/finance/why-did-nio-take-a-58111-million-loss-last-quarter/439161#:~:text=Although%20NIO%20recorded%20record%2Dhigh,margins%2C%20and%20inflated%20operating%20expenses.

 

If you read your linked URL, it does not talk anywere about battery swapping cost, at least read what you post and check its relevant to the subject

 

[Krieg 15,112]

2 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

When someone tries to make a generalization and he is not representative of the population, then you get shitty arguments. The fact is the average new car price in Germany is 34k. 

He put himself in the lower-than-average bin, because he made an argument for it.

 

And only private people buy cars?  Or does a person who buys a sub-34k car have a standard of life inferior to corporations?  And you talk about crappy arguments.  Be careful with an irony overdose.

 

And why standards of life are attached to owning a car?   Dig more.

 

 

[Krieg 15,112]

23 minutes ago, yesterday said:

 

If you replace a Tesla battery with another Tesla battery how does that add weight ??? How does it weaken the structure ???

 

 

You can't replace a Tesla battery in 7 minutes.

 

For the swapping to work in such time you need car batteries to work like control remote batteries.  But no decent EV worklike that anymore.

 

No doubt Chinese implemented it, but it is crap.

[yesterday 2,044]

5 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

You can't replace a Tesla battery in 7 minutes.

 

For the swapping to work in such time you need car batteries to work like control remote batteries.  But no decent EV worklike that anymore.

 

No doubt Chinese implemented it, but it is crap.

 

 

Currently Tesla batteries are not designed to be replaceable, which is why it does not work for Tesla.

 

But there is no real reason why they cannot be made replaceable, sure it would not work for older Tesla's without ( expensive ) modification.

 

China has shown it can be done, its just Musk does not like the idea, so it will not happen to Tesla car's.

 

But as you say, if you can fill an EV with a cable in 18 mins or use induction coils, it gets to the point of why do it ??. its basically fast enough so why change it.

 

If murph is right and it takes 20 years to install induction rings in the autobahn, maybe we have a better battery by then, so we do not need it.

 

 

 

[Krieg 15,112]

Of course there are reasons.  Advance battery management system and reducing car weight by making the battery part of the structure.   Without those things we go back to 2010.

 

China showed it can be done, but the total experience is most probably crap.    Just because something exists is not proof it is the better alternative.   Chinese are the ones that built millions of ebikes that no one used and built whole cities where no one lives.

[yesterday 2,044]

 

That might be the case.

 

As another example, today its possible to buy a mobile phone with a user swappable battery and is IP68 compatible, so why is it that the flagship phones from the various manufactures, do not offer user swappable batteries ?

 

I would guess, its because the manufactures want you to take it back to the shop and you spend more money on getting the battery changed by them, rather than you doing it yourself at home.

 

I think we are both just speculating here, we will never be able to prove one way other why a product has been designed in one way or the other.

 

[Krieg 15,112]

It is because gluing the battery it will have better life, it will be more stable.  And it is better as well for the rest of the components, less collisions.

 

But you know, paranoid and conspiracy people are everywhere.

[fraufruit 42,697]

1 hour ago, yesterday said:

Tesla Supercharger Abuse Must Stop, Musk Says | Digital Trends

Tesla users are not happy with the current network, as there Super charges available at some places

 

That article is from 2016 and no more relevant. Tesla chargers cost money to use. Your article says they are free.

 

We see many Teslas charging at "our" non Tesla charging stations. We can also use the Tesla chargers.

[CincyInDE 3,312]

There are idle fees at Tesla superchargers these days, upwards of 1€ per minute if your car is sitting there not charging and blocking others.