Diesel cars banned in Frankfurt

[MikeMelga 7,254]

10 minutes ago, BradinBayern said:

The energy to fill the batteries has to come from somewhere, though.  I don't think solar will be enough. 

Why not? It is already enough. It is a matter of how many solar panels you need for your location, to cover let´s say 85-90% of the days. Rest comes from network, not worth to go 100%, as the last 10-15% becomes much more expensive.

 

 

[Keleth 9,279]

13 hours ago, fraufruit said:

 

As I've said before, no different than being a BMW, Mercedes or Fiat fan.

You`re not wrong.

Anyone who loves a product/person so much that they can see absolutely nothing wrong in what they do or they treat them as god like deserves scorn.

It`s like the almost cult like devotion to Trump by some christians.

[Keleth 9,279]

3 hours ago, MikeMelga said:

The argument was for how to power it. Regarding on how to transport it, most charging will be done over night, where power consumption is very low. Together with self-production, I don´t foresee much of an issue on infrastructure. As an example, I expect to use around 2000kWh per year for the car. For the house itself, I consume around 3700, mostly during the day. So my night consumption will still be lower than my day consumption, meaning no need to reinforce infrastructure in this case. With 2 EVs things change a bit, but not much.

 

 

So now you use 5700kWh every year.

Someone without an EV uses 3700kWh.

When all cars are EVs then every household will be using an extra 2000kWh.

 

That`s what I get from your figures.(yes not every household the same etc but you get the gist).

There is apparently 200000 EVs registered in Germany at the moment.Once every car is an EV then that will be 43m more people using an extra 2000kWh

That has to come from somewhere ?

[MikeMelga 7,254]

24 minutes ago, Keleth said:

So now you use 5700kWh every year.

Someone without an EV uses 3700kWh.

When all cars are EVs then every household will be using an extra 2000kWh.

 

That`s what I get from your figures.(yes not every household the same etc but you get the gist).

There is apparently 200000 EVs registered in Germany at the moment.Once every car is an EV then that will be 43m more people using an extra 2000kWh

That has to come from somewhere ?

First, part of it comes for free. There is overproduction of electricity during the night. You cannot turn off gas, coal, nuclear plants. You also cannot use wind energy. My rough guess is that you could have 30% of the energy "for free", meaning it is normally wasted (although the energy suppliers would charge for it!). The 43M cars will not be replaced overnight. My opinion is that part of the production will come from local solar panels, like supermarkets, houses, companies, etc. The rest can be slowly scaled up over the years, as ICE are replaced by EVs.

 

Second, the power grid is scaled for peak hours. Meaning around 20h00. Night charging would probably not reach that peak, so almost no scaling (or none) is required on the grid.

[Krieg 14,935]

1 hour ago, Keleth said:

There is apparently 200000 EVs registered in Germany at the moment.Once every car is an EV then that will be 43m more people using an extra 2000kWh

That has to come from somewhere ?

 

I think it will take until 2050 to replace all those ICEs if not further.   So I am confident we can source the electricity somehow.

[MikeMelga 7,254]

Just got a letter from Munich city, stating that within a week (!) EURO 4 are forbidden in city center! And until the end of the year, EURO 5 too!

Well, first, FINALLY! But one week notice?? Fuck them.

 

Diesel second hand values will drop a lot. Time to ship mine to Portugal and use it or sell it there!

[LukeSkywalker 7,605]

It was announced end of October 2022, but yeah still short notice: https://www.autohaus.de/nachrichten/politik/umweltzone-wird-ausgeweitet-und-verschaerft-muenchen-verbannt-euro-4-diesel-aus-der-city-3271111

[MikeMelga 7,254]

Mercedes had some Euro 5 to 6 conversion kit program, anybody knows details?

I have registered for it @Mercedes, but I need an invoice for such conversion cost. Any tips on how to get it? Better to go to a Mercedes dealership?

[JG52 1,022]

My diesel truck meets the Euro 6d standard, yet I have a Green 4 decal on my windshield because there are no Blue 6 decals available.  How will the ban on Euro 4 and below be enforced for those of us with Euro 6d vehicles?

[PandaMunich 16,596]

32 minutes ago, JG52 said:

My diesel truck meets the Euro 6d standard, yet I have a Green 4 decal on my windshield because there are no Blue 6 decals available.  How will the ban on Euro 4 and below be enforced for those of us with Euro 6d vehicles?

The police will look into your Fahrzeugschein (new name: Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil I), which you anyway always have to have on you when driving the car: https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/fahrzeugschein-mitfuehren-original-oder-kopie_025475.html

It states your car's EURO norm:

[Krieg 14,935]

In practice the only thing that makes sense is cameras with license plates detection.

 

Since a couple of years a few streets in Berlin have a diesel ban that no one respects.  The Police gave up.

[yesterday 1,980]

I thought cameras liked to cars is banned for data protection reasons. The police are allowed to do this for speed checks, but only that.

[fraufruit 41,959]

I thought the number is on the sticker on the windscreen. Ours always was. Easy enough for all and sundry to see.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken.

[yesterday 1,980]

It was decided that all diesel 4 and 5 and 6 would have a Green 4 on the window sticker, for some reason

 

Which means the cop basically has to pull you over and manually check

 

 

[Dembo 499]

28 minutes ago, yesterday said:

It was decided that all diesel 4 and 5 and 6 would have a Green 4 on the window sticker, for some reason

 

Which means the cop basically has to pull you over and manually check

Not to mention petrol cars also have the green 4. Probably BEVs as well. So totally useless.

 

Here in the Umweltzone Euro 5s are allowed but at the end of the street a confusing sign tells you that you need Euro 6 to drive straight on as you're then entering the extra Umweltzone. 

 

Do they ever bother with foreign cars does anybody know? The family in France are threatening to visit and their old diesel probably isn't allowed.

[fraufruit 41,959]

Thanks, guys, for the correction. Never really needed to know when we had an ICE.

 

I don't know how they expect people to just go out and buy newer cars. My girlfriend who lives in Munich is worried.

[JG52 1,022]

3 hours ago, Dembo said:

Do they ever bother with foreign cars does anybody know? The family in France are threatening to visit and their old diesel probably isn't allowed.

 

Good question.  France does not recognize any foreign emissions certificates and requires a French "Crit'Air" sticker if visiting any of the low emission zones.  The sticker is similar to the German version and goes in the same area.  The cost is €3.11 plus postage, and is good for the life of the vehicle.  I'll be driving to Lyon and Montpellier this year, which are low emission zones.

 

https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/

[JG52 1,022]

6 hours ago, PandaMunich said:

The police will look into your Fahrzeugschein (new name: Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil I), which you anyway always have to have on you when driving the car: https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/fahrzeugschein-mitfuehren-original-oder-kopie_025475.html

It states your car's EURO norm:

 

 

Thanks, @PandaMunich!  I knew about the Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil I annotation, but as @yesterday wrote, this requires someone to stop me and ask for the document.  If I manage to slip through the screen and park to shop, curious enforcement agents will not be able to determine my Euro category unless they have access to the registration information.

[keith2011 2,579]

11 hours ago, yesterday said:

It was decided that all diesel 4 and 5 and 6 would have a Green 4 on the window sticker, for some reason

 

Which means the cop basically has to pull you over and manually check

 

 

The obvious solution to this would be to simply ban all diesel non commercial vehicles from low emission zones. That would imo be a good thing!

[HEM 11,077]

14 hours ago, Krieg said:

In practice the only thing that makes sense is cameras with license plates detection.

 

12 hours ago, yesterday said:

I thought cameras liked to cars is banned for data protection reasons. The police are allowed to do this for speed checks, but only that.

 

I believe they are used - at least on "private" property.

 

For instance, early in December we flew to the UK over a weekend (Friday => Sunday) & booked car parking at Hamburg airport (specifying car registration) via the Internet as the weekend offer was significantly less than 2x taxis.  On entering "P4" the barrier opened before I could place the QR code under the scanner - more importantly on exit the barrier opened whilst we were still a few metres away!  Others at parallel exits were stopped looking to see where they had just placed their (paid at machine) ticket.

 

Also at the EDEKA in then centre of Pinneberg it would appear that optical readers/scanners have been added to the Parking entrance / exit.