Diesel cars banned in Frankfurt

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3 hours ago, Krieg said:

 

I think Frankfurt is now moving towards diesel ban only in selected streets, just like the Berlin diesel ban that will start next week.

 

I wonder if they will take the same approach as in nearby Darmstadt.

 

Basically, nothing stops you driving on those roads.  There are no controls, and nobody checks.  Only if you get stopped for another offence will they also check if you are allowed to drive there or not.

 

So as long as you behave, don't crash, you are OK!!

 

 

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16 minutes ago, dj_jay_smith said:

 

I wonder if they will take the same approach as in nearby Darmstadt.

 

Basically, nothing stops you driving on those roads.  There are no controls, and nobody checks.  Only if you get stopped for another offence will they also check if you are allowed to drive there or not.

 

So as long as you behave, don't crash, you are OK!!

 

 

 

In Berlin I think you are totally right, there are plenty of exceptions, like if you live or work on those streets, people who are going to repair something there, customer of businesses in those streets, even just simply going to visit someone who lives in the street.

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So, Berlin Police already said they do not have the manpower to fully implement this, it is too difficult to manually check all cars in those streets.   So now the discussion moved to implementing automatic checks, i.e. cameras with license plate recognition.   But even then, with so many exceptions, how can you automatize the checks?

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On 22/11/2019, 10:59:49, dj_jay_smith said:

Basically, nothing stops you driving on those roads.  There are no controls, and nobody checks.  Only if you get stopped for another offence will they also check if you are allowed to drive there or not.

 

So as long as you behave, don't crash, you are OK!!

 

To be fair, its much the same for almost everything.  you could walk down the road with a bag of stuff burgled from your neighbor or drive around with a dead body in the trunk and unless the police see you doing something suspect they will just let you on your merry way.

 

Why should this particular rule need a complex and expensive automated checking system?  

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1 minute ago, zwiebelfisch said:

Why should this particular rule need a complex and expensive automated checking system?  

Because like a lot of these automated checking systems (such as hidden blitzers)they do next to nothing to stop the problem but bring in a shedload of cash for the stadt.

 

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I would imagine Germain data privacy laws would prevent the automatic data collection of millions of cars.

 

It's only possible in more delectronically developed counties like the UK

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2 hours ago, yesterday said:

Looks like the practice of mining colbot, required for the  production is causing deaths in Africa , where its sourced from.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/tesla-and-apple-among-tech-giants-accused-of-aiding-child-labour-in-africa-11888600

 

Legal cases now be made.

 

 

 

 

Not sure anyone should be held responsible for what goes on in the DRC and many other African countries outside of their own governments! Sounds to me like money making for lawyers.

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15 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Looks like another death for Tesla

https://news.sky.com/story/tesla-driver-complained-about-autopilot-defect-before-fatal-car-crash-11931980

 

It really makes me want to buy one and drive in autopilot mode - or not

 

On the other hand, you have to be all kinds of stupid to know there's a specific road your car's limited autopilot has problems handling, experience this more than once and still rely on the autopilot while surfing your phone on that same road. It's a Darwin award right there.

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1 minute ago, mtbiking said:

 

On the other hand, you have to be all kinds of stupid to know there's a specific road your car has problems handling, experience this more than once and still rely on the autopilot while surfing your phone on that same road. It's a Darwin award right there.

 

you mean a typical Tesla owner

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2 hours ago, yesterday said:

Looks like another death for Tesla

You do realize that those are old news, right?

2 hours ago, yesterday said:

https://news.sky.com/story/tesla-driver-complained-about-autopilot-defect-before-fatal-car-crash-11931980

 

It really makes me want to buy one and drive in autopilot mode - or not

 

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

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In the 4th quarter, we registered one accident for every 3.07 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.10 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.64 million miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles.*

 

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19 minutes ago, BradinBayern said:

How many deaths from non-Teslas in the same time period?  

 

Shouldn't you be asking how many drivers, drove in to the side wall at the same place, in similar conditions, while not using any form of driver assistance and take into account the relatively low number of driver less cars compared to the high number of cars without driver assistance- thus causing death to the drive ?  

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1 hour ago, yesterday said:

 

you mean a typical Tesla owner

Jealousy is a terrible thing. Money cures most of it, except for small penis situations.

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21 minutes ago, BradinBayern said:

How many deaths from non-Teslas in the same time period?  

From what I know Tesla has a smaller % of fatal accidents than ICE cars.

But the problem is that if you have something new you need to convince people it is safe and having people die while driving one of your cars is not doing that no matter that it is safer people want safe.So any death involving a Tesla will be blown up and just quoting figures that they are safer doesn`t help peoples perceptions.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Jealousy is a terrible thing. Money cures most of it, except for small penis situations.

Well he`s kind of right if you use this forum as a sample of Tesla owners or lovers isn`t he ?

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Just now, Keleth said:

Well he`s kind of right if you use this forum as a sample of Tesla owners or lovers isn`t he ?

Don´t worry, you will be one of us soon. As the Borgs would put it, "Resistance is futile".

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5 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

You do realize that those are old news, right?

The crash yes but not the fact he had complained of the problem beforehand.

The bloke was a fucking idiot to keep using the autopilot if he was having problems there everytime and doubly so if he was on his phone as well.Double idiot if he complained to his friends but didn`t bother complaining to Tesla.

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