Diesel cars banned in Frankfurt

[rodisi 657]

They are banning diesels (4) entering Frankfurt as of 1 February or that's what I understand. Can anyone clarify?

[Metall 14,513]

Yes, starting next February:

http://www.fr.de/frankfurt/fahrverbot-fuer-diesel-in-frankfurt-frankfurt-muss-diesel-fahrverbote-einfuehren-a-1571795

[Guest]

IF they Ban All ships on the Main then close the airport... Suddenly Frankfurt will smell better....

 

Planes dumping their excess fuel over the Taunus will stop.... the place will be much cleaner...

 

But no... Lets screw the Tax payer... Lets screw the ones who chose diesel because we were told its more ecconomical and therfore better for the enviroment!

 

 

Fucking Knobs!

 

 

[dj_jay_smith 3,448]

Diesel 4 and below is banned from Feb 2019, a long with Petrol 1 & 2 (escaped the headlines!).

Diesel 5 is banned from Sept 2019.

Parking fees must be increased.

And free park+ride places must be offered.

 

They also said that this will apply only to the town centre, so I don't know how the boundaries will be marked.

 

 

Similar to Spidey-piggy, I agree that this does not solve the whole problem.  Most of the fumes come from Trucks which are subject to different regulations.  For example, a Euro 5 car produces a max of 0.280 NOx (Nitrogen Oxide), which a Euro 5 truck produces 2.0.  That is more than 7 times more! (with Euro 6 it's better, but still nearly 4 times more).

 

Plus, by banning older vehicles you are hitting the poorest people most, as they are more likely to have older vehicles!  And a Euro 5 diesel car could be as little as 4 or 5 years old.  

[Guest]

From what I understood from the linked article, its all of Frankfurt within the boundries of the "ringroad formed by the A5,A3 and the A661...

 

This will cause me considerable grief when I need to bring my Daughter home on a Sunday and Public transport isnt functioning as it should...

 

Again... Fucking Suit Cocks!

[BayrischDude 2,071]

As I drive a 1990 VW T3, with a diesel motor, I am quite curious about the future of being able to drive...  anywhere.  I have been doing some research and it seem there are some add-ons in the works.  I've yet to read anything to assist in aiding me ancient bus, but it does seem that an add-on to relatively new cars to lower emissions on diesel cars is not far from coming to the market.  Of course these will come at a hefty price.  But there is hope.

[Krieg 14,919]

4 minutes ago, BayrischDude said:

As I drive a 1990 VW T3, with a diesel motor, I am quite curious about the future of being able to drive...  anywhere.  .

 

You are 2 years away from the H plates, provided your car is mostly in original conditions and most repairs were done with era-matching parts when possible.    Then you can go anywhere you want, and I think insurance and taxes are cheaper.

[Guest]

Why would a "H" plate make any difference to the Polution issues apart from the fact you are supposed to Drive the "H" plated vehicles to shows and rallies etc and NOT use then for dailly commutes!

[Krieg 14,919]

You can even drive them for business.   They have no limitations at all nowadays.

[Guest]

Nope.. 10K per year...

 

https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/autokennzeichen/h-kennzeichen/

[Krieg 14,919]

https://www.oldtimer-markt.de/ratgeber/grundlagen/das-h-kennzeichen

 

 

Dieses Kennzeichen entspricht im Prinzip einer ganz normalen Zulassung, will heißen: Es gibt keinerlei Nutzungseinschränkungen, das Fahrzeug kann überall und jederzeit gefahren und abgestellt werden. Sogar die früher verbotene gewerbliche Nutzung, sei es als geleaster Firmenwagen, Miet-Oldie für Hochzeitsfahrten oder als Veteranen-Lkw in Speditionsdiensten, ist inzwischen zulässig.

[kiplette 8,675]

Well, that article says that some insurers make the rule that the car shouldn't be driven more than 10K, and further down in the comments someone asks whether there are any restrictions on use - eg. can you drive it daily to work in an umwelt zone, and the answer from the website is that they can't see any restrictions in place.

 

Thank you for the link, SP, it is comprehensive. I am vaguely considering bringing a 1927 Austin 7 over, now that I have a garage to store it in, but whether it has mostly original parts I rather doubt - my Dad was handy with biscuit tin lids and the like, as I remember (woodwork/metalwork teacher). Perhaps at that extreme age the rules are less rigid.

[BayrischDude 2,071]

The 10K limit comes from insurance carriers when the offer a low rate.  If one wishes to drive more each year, then assume they pay more.

 

Interesting that the tax is uniformly at 191,74€.  I currently pay 148€.

 

Edit:  Kiplette got it before I did.

[Kommentarlos 983]

This situation is another sad example of knee jerk reactions rather than proper mid and long term planning of national an local infrastructure resources. No joined up thinking as usual. 

 

It will hit people hard who are using their diesel business vehicle also for private purposes. Apart from the outlay and running cost of having a second vehicle in the family for private trips, I am not convinced the use of natural resources in constructing s previously unneeded second vehicle is valid. Time will tell.  

 

I know from my own experiences of walking in the vicinity of the Spree in Berlin that the pollution from the ships crossing Berlin is shocking. So too was the fumes from the 50+ police vehicles idling on Monday nights with the engine running at Hauptbahnhof for hours on end during the height of the Pegida demonstrations. I would like to see a full break down of pollution sources within such built up area contexts and appropriate action taken more globally to reduce the sources and consistently applied. 

 

This will cost all of us more in one way or another but if such measures are implemented in a sensible and fair manner with a proper run in time then people can take good decisions on what is best for them and their families. I will be pleasantly surprised if the transport network in FFM is ready for a massive influx of new commuters in Feb 2019. 

[kaffeemitmilch 1,294]

Well this can be appealed right? According to DW this is not final as there are still options: https://www.dw.com/en/frankfurt-must-ban-old-diesel-cars-court-rules/a-45373435

 

Hesse is demanding that automakers be held accountable and cars be retrofitted for screwing the public.

 

I don't have a diesel, but i can sympathise. Of course, the ships and airplanes are huge culprits, as you say. I didn't know they dump fuel over the Taunus!

[MikeMelga 7,240]

1 hour ago, kaffeemitmilch said:

I don't have a diesel, but i can sympathise. Of course, the ships and airplanes are huge culprits, as you say. I didn't know they dump fuel over the Taunus!

Ships and airplanes are extremely efficient in terms of pollution per kg of cargo. Alternatives are much more pollutant, except for electric train.

 

I have a diesel car and I don't sympathise. Want to get rid of mine as soon as the Tesla Model 3 comes to Germany.

[MikeMelga 7,240]

4 hours ago, dj_jay_smith said:

Diesel 4 and below is banned from Feb 2019, a long with Petrol 1 & 2 (escaped the headlines!).

Diesel 5 is banned from Sept 2019. 

Mine is Euro 6. Will it increase or decrease its value?

 

[dj_jay_smith 3,448]

35 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

Mine is Euro 6. Will it increase or decrease its value?

 

 

I want to purchase a new car and was considering a Euro 6 diesel.  Not sure what to do now, as while initially it is OK what will happen in 5, 8 or 10 years?  I work in Frankfurt.

 

 

[Krieg 14,919]

39 minutes ago, MikeMelga said:

I have a diesel car and I don't sympathise. Want to get rid of mine as soon as the Tesla Model 3 comes to Germany.

 

I am waiting as well, but I think they will send first the expensive version and I am waiting for the cheaper one.  I am very negative about it, I don't think it will come here before 2022 or 2024.   By then I guess I would probably have already some other e-car which I won't be really happy with.

[MikeMelga 7,240]

47 minutes ago, Krieg said:

 

I am waiting as well, but I think they will send first the expensive version and I am waiting for the cheaper one.  I am very negative about it, I don't think it will come here before 2022 or 2024.   By then I guess I would probably have already some other e-car which I won't be really happy with.

I want the 4wd version because of winter driving, so I am ok with the current options. My guess is that it will start at 44.000€ with Umwelt bonus and with the extras that I want it goes to 52-55k€. This includes auto pilot and all the shinny options

I don't understand why you are so pessimistic, it will be here in the first half of 2019. My guess is that orders can be done from January 2019 on.