European State Drivers License Suspension

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Hi,

 

An Italian friend got a speeding ticket on the A99 by Munich. It was something like 130kph between two 80kph work zones. An A99 speedtrap - as the whole section was ruled 80kph.

 

Either way, even after tolerance correction, a fairly bad overspeeding. Victim has no points taken off Italian driver's license.

 

Victim recieved twice now in Italy via normal post the notice to submit driver's license at an office in Munich for a 30 day suspension.

 

Is this possible ? What are the ramifications if not heeding another country's suspension ?

 

BR

 

 

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Yes it is possible.

With that level of speeding the driver normally loses their licence for a month, usually within a four month period, but this 4 mth period may be different for foreigners.

He can also expect a large fine, or has he been charged that already?

 

I really wouldn't suggest ignoring this.

 

Edit: Be thankful he hasn't been ordered to submit to MPU (yet?).

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He already paid the fine. As was not fast enough for immediate license revoking, was a not too horrible 200 something eur.

 

There's zero chance the victim will come to Munich, surrender license, and then go back home waiting 30 days.

 

What is the proceure then ? Seems like the notice only says, come to Munich and drop license off.

 

What are the ramifications ?

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35 minutes ago, _only_bob_ said:

There's zero chance the victim will come to Munich, surrender license, and then go back home waiting 30 days.

 

Tell your Italian friend that he's not a victim but a perpetrator. And then tell him to read the letters again:

 

35 minutes ago, _only_bob_ said:

 

What is the proceure then ? Seems like the notice only says, come to Munich and drop license off.

 

"Seems"? It either says that or not. I guess it doesn't because there is a SOP for foreigners without residence in Germany:

 

"But what happens if the authority imposes a driving ban on foreigners who are not properly resident in Germany?

 

In this case § 25 Abs. 3 S. 1 StVG applies. Accordingly, the driving ban for foreigners must then be noted on the driving licence. If the foreigner does not comply, he may be confiscated (§ 25 Paragraph 3 Sentence 2 StVG). The driving ban for foreigners must therefore be complied with in Germany.

 

Such an entry can be avoided if the foreigner expressly states when issuing his driving licence that his document should be kept officially for the duration of the driving ban.

 

The entry is a sticker on which the date on which the driving ban for foreigners begins is entered."

 

https://www.zuschnellgefahren.com/fahrverbot/auslaender/

 

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

 

 

35 minutes ago, _only_bob_ said:

 

What are the ramifications ?

 

See above, if the foreigner does not comply, his license may be confiscated. 

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1 hour ago, _only_bob_ said:

He already paid the fine. As was not fast enough for immediate license revoking, was a not too horrible 200 something eur.

 

There's zero chance the victim will come to Munich, surrender license, and then go back home waiting 30 days.

 

What is the proceure then ? Seems like the notice only says, come to Munich and drop license off.

 

What are the ramifications ?

I think (not 100% sure) he can send his license by post and then he will receive it back after 30days. 

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It's not clear to me who will confiscate it? Who enforces this? The local authorities or the German ones once re-entering Germany and you get caught during a regular check?

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Only two letters were received. Here is the text from the second letter (the letters are sent out of country and writtten only on german - lol).

 

I translated and am wondering, it is written that border control is clearly notified. Question : Are also police databases updated ?

 

wie ihnen bereits mitgeteilt wurde liegt gegen sie ein rechtskraftiger busgeldbescheid mit einem wirksamen fahrverbot vor.

 

sie haben trotz wiederholter aufforderrungen ihren fuhrerschein nicht in amtliche verwahrung gegeben. das gegen sie verhangte fahrverbot besteht nach wie vor.

 

wir fordern sie deshalb nochmals auf, ihren fuhrerschein umgehend der zentralen busgeldstelle zuzusended, damit das fahrverbot vollzogen werden kann. wir wiesen die darauf hin,dass die zentrale bussgelfstelle die entsprechende polizeidienstelle des jeweiligen grenzuberganges uber das bestehende fahrverbot informiert, so dass ihr fuhrerschein bei einem grenzubertritt kostenpflichtig beschlagnahmt wird.

 

es leight deshalb in ihrem eigenen interesse, unserer aufforderung unverzuglich folge zu liesten.

 

 

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They are saying that they will let the police at the border know so if he crosses into Germany the police will take his license and it will cost him.

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That means that if he never intends to re-enter Germany, he has nothing to worry. They can't enforce it. Most Italians take August off for holidays, so if he doesn't need the car that much, it would be an ideal period to hand in your license. 

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I called the Zentrale Bußgeldstelle in Viechtach ...

 

They said with european plastic card licenses, the perp only needs to send a copy/foto of license in email and normal post  ...

 

Then wait 30 days before driving again.

 

 

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