Brexit preparations for brits - replace bank cards now etc???

[Guest]

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Delicious image aside of TT`s resident refugee drama queen becoming an illegal immigrant overnight ( Karma`s a bitch )

Germany does not do retrospective withdrawl of Permanent residency  unless under very specific circumstances, even if one is dumb enough to live here almost a decade and not learn the local language at even a basic level Hell, My three year old grandchild could pass B1

 

But feel free to feed his paranoia, drama queens thrive on it.

 

*rolls over and goes back to sleep*

 

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[HEM 11,164]

2 hours ago, emkay said:

 

There have been various media reports on how the UK couldn't possibly remove existing legal EU workers.  The NHS alone would be seriously affected. The same apparently applies to existing UK workers in the EU.

TBH that probably does not worry the Brexiters...

[Anna66 2,694]

17 hours ago, Feierabend said:

 

But thousands of us were denied a voice, having been out of the UK > fifteen years.

 

17 hours ago, emkay said:

 

Isn't there a maximum number of years limit being a non UK resident that applies for UK voting? 

 

Aye looks like it. So there you go. I could not have voted anyway.

[optimista 5,934]

I ignorantly (nobody told me and I did not know to ask...) lost the vote after 15 years abroad. There was some talk a few years ago of reducing it to 10. Dunno if it ever happened. The British press is not exactly useful on real information.

[RedMidge 6,638]

1 hour ago, optimista said:

I ignorantly (nobody told me and I did not know to ask...) lost the vote after 15 years abroad. There was some talk a few years ago of reducing it to 10. Dunno if it ever happened. The British press is not exactly useful on real information.

 

Checking UK  gov. Website on moving abroad is a useful tool! States clearly what rights are lost/ retained when becoming non resident in UK.

Sadly for you, too late, but might be useful for others considering a move.  (Until all the Brexit changes!)

[onemark 787]

@ RenegadeFurther:

For God's sake, stop worrying!

Germany is not - repeat, not - going to throw you out come Brexit next year if you don't have a German passport by then!

1. Start language lessons somehow - and don't tell me you can't. (xxxing well FIND a way!)

2. Go to your local foreign nationals' office and find out what your options are.

 

[RenegadeFurther 2,394]

17 hours ago, onemark said:

@ RenegadeFurther:

For God's sake, stop worrying!

Germany is not - repeat, not - going to throw you out come Brexit next year if you don't have a German passport by then!

1. Start language lessons somehow - and don't tell me you can't. (xxxing well FIND a way!)

2. Go to your local foreign nationals' office and find out what your options are.

 

Tried the German course. Some people can learn a language and some people have difficulties. I am In the latter.

 

I have spoke to the office and every answer is just the same. Wait and see. 

[optimista 5,934]

On 13/07/2018, 17:43:41, RedMidge said:

 

Checking UK  gov. Website on moving abroad is a useful tool! States clearly what rights are lost/ retained when becoming non resident in UK.

Sadly for you, too late, but might be useful for others considering a move.  (Until all the Brexit changes!)

Government websites did not exist 30 years ago... or even 20... yes, it's been that long...

 

@RF: yes, understand this. I had difficulty with German even though I soaked up several other languages like a sponge. It is a PITA language.

[swimmer 3,707]

On 13.7.2018, 16:09:43, optimista said:

I ignorantly (nobody told me and I did not know to ask...) lost the vote after 15 years abroad. There was some talk a few years ago of reducing it to 10. Dunno if it ever happened. The British press is not exactly useful on real information.

 

That's not your ignorance though.  That's when it ends for all of us.   Simple rule for Britons not resident in the UK - ends after 15 years.  Makes no difference or not if we knew about it.  Mine ends soon. Nothing I can do about it.  Same as you could not.

 

I did the German through the integration course.  My approach is only ever "needs must".  I've done what I had to do to deal with Brexit for me and my family and I can only advise others do the same according to their needs.    A non-German speaker can keep telling the rest of the world they find learning German "tricky" as many times as they like, but the rest of the world just carries on.  It's only that individual who has a life to sustain for them and their family.   They need to do what it takes for them.

 

Personally, I see sustainability as the more important issue than the transition itself.   Sure, people with permanent residency won't be "thrown out" but actually sustaining a life without the EU membership benefits might be more of a challenge.  It's a challenge for me who's never been employed here (and who does not want to be).  It's a challenge for people who can't speak German in other ways (especially when it's time to change jobs etc).  And so on.

[optimista 5,934]

If you applied for a postal vote you could continue voting. But I did not know about that. I was given to believe that the 15 year veto ran from the last time you voted. But may be wrong.

[swimmer 3,707]

No, it is just 15 years.  If we have left the country and moved abroad, we will only ever be voting by postal vote, anyway.   (There is absolutely no need to actually get on a flight and pitch up in person and, even if we did, still 15 years' limit).

 

We remain registered in the constituency of our last UK address, linked to our last address. 

[sos-the-rope 619]

On 7/13/2018, 7:14:50, onemark said:

@ RenegadeFurther:

For God's sake, stop worrying!

Germany is not - repeat, not - going to throw you out come Brexit next year if you don't have a German passport by then!

1. Start language lessons somehow - and don't tell me you can't. (xxxing well FIND a way!)

2. Go to your local foreign nationals' office and find out what your options are.

 

 

I have to say, I don’t recommend worrying, but I wonder why people are so keen to tell us Brits on the edge to stop worrying?

[RedMidge 6,638]

28 minutes ago, sos-the-rope said:

 

I have to say, I don’t recommend worrying, but I wonder why people are so keen to tell us Brits on the edge to stop worrying?

Because none of us know what will be agreed on come B-Day!  All the actions we take may be wrong or waste of time!

Trying to second guess is all speculation.

[swimmer 3,707]

I tend to disagree with that.   We all have to manage our own risk but it seems to me pretty obvious what's going to happen in most respects.  I've just noted this on another thread regarding recent remarks by the British Consul that we described as referred to "emerging details".   But they are not in any way that.  They are simply a description of how it's always been and always and exactly how it will be expected to work when EU nationals transition to third party ones.

 

I can only say that, as one who got citizenship and bought more property etc, I was done by about March 2017 (the two took a bit longer to complete).   I prioritised this but it was not massively onerous.   That's actually quite some time ago.  Brexit is not new now.   We've built a new home since Brexit, indeed long since completed now .   I have a life to lead, a family to support, and many other professional and social dependencies.  I'm through and we have no uncertainty.   I think that last bit's important.  I am aware that kids and young people, family, mates, work contacts etc don't need to be wondering about me.   They do get anxious.  I can go to all of them (and other parties that contribute to our sustainable life here such as my bank) and say "no problem".  I see a lot of value in that.

[sos-the-rope 619]

19 minutes ago, RedMidge said:

Because none of us know what will be agreed on come B-Day!  All the actions we take may be wrong or waste of time!

Trying to second guess is all speculation.

 

Absolutely we can second guess. And third guess.

 

official story: all will be well, the draft agreement will go through and we can relax.

 

worst case: no deal of any kind, third nation status, no interim agreement. Get a visa?

 

best case / wish fulfillment: no ****it

[RenegadeFurther 2,394]

12 hours ago, RedMidge said:

Because none of us know what will be agreed on come B-Day!  All the actions we take may be wrong or waste of time!

Trying to second guess is all speculation.

 

But the time to take action is fast approaching. 

 

We all have bills to pay and I must make sure that there is food on the table for my family come March 30th.

 

I do now expect a hard Brexit

 

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-braced-for-showdown-with-brexit-rebels-11438418

 

I would like my future decided sooner but the reality is that I cannot apply for a Visa before 30th March 2019.

 

 

 

 

 

[AlexTr 19,771]

58 minutes ago, RenegadeFurther said:

 

 

We all have bills to pay and I must make sure that there is food on the table for my family come March 30th.

 

 

A good start is not to be posting on an internet forum in the middle of your business day.

[swimmer 3,707]

14 hours ago, sos-the-rope said:

 

Absolutely we can second guess. And third guess.

 

No, there is no need to "guess".  I am genuinely surprise so many Britons say they are "waiting".  Nothing to wait for.

 

For most of us, it's pretty clear what will happen to us here and so we can act according to our personal situ.   As per those remarks of the British consul on the other thread, Britons will be treated under standard German process.   That process is very clear and there won't be exceptions for us.  It's not possible here even assuming Germany wanted to make any.

 

Anyone that needs clarification on what those processes are can go to their local city authority and / or foreigner's office, or google them etc.

[zwiebelfisch 7,067]

15 hours ago, sos-the-rope said:

 

I have to say, I don’t recommend worrying, but I wonder why people are so keen to tell us Brits on the edge to stop worrying?

 

Because in the worst nightmare scenario we will be in the same boat as half of TT already are, that we become like the USA, australia etc and need to get a work permit.  And that is assuming total hard brexit.

 

Sure, there will be a few people who lose out. Especially (not not only, I guess) those who have been living below the radar.  But for the majority of us it will be a bit more paperwork, nothing more.

[swimmer 3,707]

24 minutes ago, zwiebelfisch said:

Because in the worst nightmare scenario we will be in the same boat as half of TT already are, that we become like the USA, australia etc and need to get a work permit.  And that is assuming total hard brexit.

 

There's absolutely no equivalence.    Most  Britons in other EU states are only there because of EU freedom of movement.  We have no third party national US or Australian peer.    Most unemployed US citizens or retired Australians would not have been let in here.   We unemployed or retired Britons came on a different basis.  I came here with no job or family, to do exactly what I wanted, independently, and nobody asked me a single question about my life when I arrived.  Try doing that as an Australian or a Canadian.  (Or indeed, go to Australia and Canada and try to get in on that basis).

 

I think you are kidding yourself to be honest if you think a Briton who retired to the Spanish coast or who is slacking in Berlin and Darmstadt () under freedom of movement is no different from an American on a work permit in Madrid or Frankfurt.  There is no commonality at all.

 

It is not why we moved and so it is not relevant.  I'd never have moved here on a third party national basis.   I've never lived anywhere on that basis and I never will.   Work permit ? You gotta be joking.  I'm not a unit of production, transacting with a state on the basis of my labour (commercial or family).  Vulnerable to having to leave if the deal I made with my employer did not work for me, or my marriage to a German did not work.   That's the third party national deal.  I was able to move to Germany exactly because I'm not tied to "work". 

 

As I keep saying, the "work" obession (by which you mean employment not unpaid household work) is also very much the false premise that migrants are adult males of working age.  Women are far less driven by that.  How do you think the large number of us who came as homemakers or pensioners or independently are gonna end up with "work permits"?  Again, not our deal.

 

In addition, those third party national citizens planned their move on the understanding they would be third party nationals and built lives accordingly.   Britons (and other EU citizens) never had to do that and so we built our lives differently.