Anmeldung using lease instead of wohnungsgeberbestaetigung?

[Borges 0]

Can you anmeldung with a signed copy of the lease instead of the wohnungsgeberbestaetigung form? Seems like a needless extra step.

[Snowchief 117]

Nope, no you can't. You need Wohnungsgebervestätigung signed as well

[Borges 0]

Sigh.

[Smaug 5,849]

You only need the Wohnungserwerbbestätigung. The lease is useless for this purpose.

 

What's the problem? Won't the landlord give you one?

[Borges 0]

No problem just another form you could instead have used the signed lease for.

[Smaug 5,849]

You don't actually have to fill in a form. Your landlord can just write a note confirming that you live there and including his name and address, take a picture, email it to you and you bring a copy of it to the Bürgerburo.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Borges said:

No problem just another form you could instead have used the signed lease for.

 

The signed lease says nothing about who's really living in the flat, the Wohnungsgeberbestätigung does. The aim is to prevent fake Anmeldungen.

[2B_orNot2B 8,451]

1 hour ago, Borges said:

Can you anmeldung with a signed copy of the lease instead of the wohnungsgeberbestaetigung form? Seems like a needless extra step.

 

Hi @Borges

 

I wrote this yesterday in answer to another but similar question. If you hope to stay in Germany for any length of time it would be in your interests to consider these points carefully

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Because, like all standardized public admin procedures in Germany, the covering file of each case will have a box next to a reference numbered line which requires the admin officer to initial it to confirm they have seen this specific document.

 

If the box is not initialled the file cannot be acted on further. If the box is initialled the officer is responsible - and could be disciplined should a copy of the document (initialled and stamped Received on XX.XX.XXXX) not be in the file.

 

Once you get used to the idea that the application of logic or reason or flexibility is not within the working parameters of the German bureaucracy it gets much easier to deal with. Most of the individual Beamter/innen are a lot friendlier and more reasonable to work with if you don't get involved in questioning their motives. They do get to hear that all day, every day, so you'll only risk alienating them by doing so  - which won't help you! 

 

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One of the main reasons registration laws were transferred from the individual states and are now a unified federal law (BMG) since 2015 was to prevent people using only an (easily  copied or forged) rent contract to register.

 

In particular in Berlin, but also in Hamburg, Cologne, Munich, Frankfurt and Stuttgart 100s of thousands of "ghost corpses" were registered which meant the fed government was diverting funds to support the infrastructure statistically required but the vanished zombies were not adding their share to the gross social production. 

 

Just download and fill in the PDF Anmeldung Formula from Anmeldung einer Wohnung - Dienstleistungen - Service Berlin - Berlin.de get your landlord to sign it, take it and your ID to one of the Bürgerburos listed on that page.

 

2B

 

 

[ilyann 188]

On 6/9/2018, 5:26:18, 2B_orNot2B said:

In particular in Berlin, but also in Hamburg, Cologne, Munich, Frankfurt and Stuttgart 100s of thousands of "ghost corpses" were registered which meant the fed government was diverting funds to support the infrastructure statistically required but the vanished zombies were not adding their share to the gross social production. 

 

I would like to hear more about that :) 

[2B_orNot2B 8,451]

On Samstag, 16. Juni 2018, ilyann said:

 

I would like to hear more about that :) 

 

Here you go... 

first a quote from German Wikipedia Bevölkerung Berlins

 

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The above-average growth in 1987 is due to the 1987 census, which showed that the population in West Berlin was seven percent higher than the previous census.[22]

The 2011 census had the opposite effect, as the official population was reduced by around 180,000 persons as of 9 May 2011.23] This reduction in the population would lead to a revenue shortfall of almost half a billion euros per year for the state of Berlin through the state fiscal equalization system.24]

 

The State of Berlin, together with the Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg, brought an action before the Federal Constitutional Court against the collection method.25] Claims and objections were filed by more than one thousand German municipalities.26]

 

Several systematic survey errors have already been proven.27] A final decision of the Federal Constitutional Court has been postponed several times and is still pending.[28]

 

 

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International managers and creative minds apparently do not de-register either

As Berlin's census chief Karsten Wenzel calculated, 60 percent of the 179,391 statistically suddenly disappeared are foreign citizens of Berlin who have moved abroad in the past but - intentionally or due to lack of knowledge - did not log out. Another 30 percent are Germans with immigrant backgrounds who have probably moved abroad and are not deregistered. The remaining ten percent are German citizens who have moved within Germany.

^^^Der Tagesspiegel 03.06.2013

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The internal, financial and urban development administrations rejected accusations that they knowingly accepted the figures. The city development administration had emphasized internally and among experts that it had expected up to 100,000 fewer people. Nothing would change in the forecast for 2030.

 

According to the Berlin Institute, the phenomenon of "Healthy Migrants" shows what false figures can do. This former branch of research is also based on the allegedly ever older, healthy migrants in Berlin - who, however, had long since moved away. It is unclear whether Berlin's ageing prognosis will be affected by the current numerical errors.

^^^Der Tagesspiegel 03.06.2013

 

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20.12.13         Zensus 2011

Die Volks(ver)zählung – so verlor Hamburg 83.000 Bürger

Plötzlich gab es 83.000 Hamburger weniger. Ganz offiziell. Denn so ergab es der Zensus, eine hochgerechnete Stichprobe, organisiert vom Statistischen Bundesamt.

 

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Without the census, we'd be 81.7 million Germans, not 80.2 million. Things turned out differently. 1.5 million Germans were suddenly gone.

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According to the registration record 1.762 million people lived in Hamburg on the census deadline 2011. The official population of the Northern Statistical Office was 1.790 million. But the census showed: 1.707 million inhabitants.

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If the census had given Hamburg more inhabitants like the neighbouring state of Schleswig-Holstein Bösinger would now have better things to do. Instead he set up a working group: Employees from the Senate Chancellery, the tax authorities and the internal affairs authorities are present. The mission: to fight the contradiction against the officially determined depopulation. And get back the money that Hamburg had to pay back into the state fiscal equalization system. 75 million this year alone. Hamburger Abendblatt 20.12.2013

 

 

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Approx. 100,000 corpse files

The information on the registered residents comes from the register of residents. The actual number of Berliners is likely to be about three percent lower, according to the Federal Statistical Office.

Reason: Many people register in Berlin when they move to the city. They don't sign out when they move away.

The number of registered inhabitants is about 100,000 higher than the actual number due to the "Karteileichen". The excess numbers of reported Berliners came to light in the course of the 2011 census.

^^Berliner Zeitung 15.02.2015 Verbände fordern mehr Kitas - Berlins Einwohnerzahl steigt rasant

 

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70,000 voters in Berlin are not reachable

 

Before the election to the House of Representatives in September, around 70,000 election notifications could not be delivered. Before the Bundestag elections in 2017, the registration register is now to be cleaned up.

^^ Der Tagesspiegel 26.12.2016

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_population_statistics

 

There's actually a lot more in those, and many other, articles. Enjoy the read!

 

2B