Bathroom renovation costs

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(I made a new topic out of my post earlier, as not much info can be found on this theme)

 

We are thinking of fully renovating our bathroom (~5 square meters, get everything old out, and install everything new). Does anyone have idea/experience of how much could it cost, ballpark? I am especially interested in knowing labour costs as one never knows what this covers (e.g. tiling, fixing, electricity? exhaust, etc.)

 

Also recommendations, pleasee ...

 

ps. The main fixtures, i.e. wash basin, tub, WC, mirror, etc. costs about 4k for a decent quality.

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The total cost can be anything from 3K to 15K depending on the materials you use and one thousand other variables.   The labour can be something around 5 to 10 days, so 40 to 80 hours, which can be anything from 15EUR to 30EUR per hour.   There would be a very big difference if it is possible to tile over the old tiles (cheaper) or if the old tiles must be removed.

 

This is of course is very very bold.

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I would have thought closer to 20-25 grand as its a munich residence!

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3 hours ago, niland said:

 

 

ps. The main fixtures, i.e. wash basin, tub, WC, mirror, etc. costs about 4k for a decent quality.

4k for those items in a 5m bathroom? With that limited space it's not as though you'll be having some sort of luxurious bath or even a particularly large shower. I would say get on the internet, and save yourself a few grand, by doing the supply bit yourself. In fact, a 5m bathroom would be a good first DIY project.  

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Is this topic still live? Currently I'm facing a very similiar situation as niland did and would love some information. Of course I'm browsing the web aswell for recommendations and doing my own research but nothing really appealing so far. cheers

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I also need to renovate. My bathroom has ugly tiles covering every wall, ugly PVC floor, etc. I think the prices for renovation that people quote are ludicrous. I don't want to change the position of anything, simply put a new toilet in and a new shower cabinet, and reglaze the bath tub.

 

I'm thinking of doing like we did in the kitchen, to have someone plaster over the tiles, then cover with malervlies and white latex satin paint which is durable,  easy to wipe and water resistant. Then bordering around the tub I would put some nice acrylic paneling, and the for the shower walls also some acrylic wall panels. Put in some top of the line vinyl panel flooring and call it a day. Screw tiles and grout... a lot of extra work for nothing. Not to mention the maintance/cleaning!

 

 

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Just requested a quote on the above idea. Let's see what they give me. The last quote I got from Viterma (one of these cover your whole bathroom with space-age paneling) wanted 24k for complete reno! My new roof + insulation will cost as much as that (with a crane, and scaffold !).

 

Let's say I'm willing to spend $1000 per time to replace, so one bath tub, one shower (simple, no flat floor craziness), one Stand-WC toilet, and one sink. That's $4000. And I don't need the super slick stuff, just something decently modern. If they install some paneling in the shower, around the tub, and behind the sink (on top of the old tiles) let's say $3000 for that. And the rest I just plaster over and paint, and then install a vinyl floor myself. Would I be crazy to expect that to be less than $10,000? 

 

Who buys all this expensive stuff?

 

 

 

 

 

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On 5/1/2020, 5:01:51, wien4ever said:

to have someone plaster over the tiles, then cover with malervlies and white latex satin paint w

 

1 hour ago, wien4ever said:

install some paneling in the shower, around the tub, and behind the sink

 

1 hour ago, wien4ever said:

just plaster over and paint, and then install a vinyl floor

 

your bathroom just got smaller

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I just redid 2 small bathrooms and showers in the apartment we purchased. Old ugly 1980s tiles. Painted tiles with obi tile paint and came out much better than i thought. Used click vinyl stone look flooring and glued over shower walls and floors. Actually 2 layers of ceramic are already on floors and walls. I looked at the acrylic panels decided against. The old sink was to wide and i hate euro style small vanities and wall mounted sinks. Anway i purchased 2 kitchen sink cabinets with standard counter tops cut the width to 40 cm from 60. (Due to how narrow batroom is) if you have a wide batroom you could use full width)  All in for vinyl tiles, paint, vanity, sink and faucet, shower doors, shower fixtures and medicine cabinet under 1000 per bathroom. Plan to paint the shower bases later.  Went from beige 1980s nightmare to chic white bath with black slate walls and modern fixtures. I tried to upload pics but my files are way to big. 

 

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8 hours ago, wien4ever said:

wanted 24k for complete reno!

The vast majority of that will be labour. It's the workers rather than the components that are expensive here in Germany. So, it's time to try some DIY. You can buy that panelling in Obi, or just tile yourself (if you tile, you are giving yourself flexibility to get around difficult areas - you can even use small mosaic tiles as a feature to get around awkward fittings). Provided you are happy to use flexible fittings, plumbing in a toilet, sink, shower and bath really doesn't require specialist knowledge.

 

 

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Having just completely built a bathroom, I have to say Mr Stanners comment about not needing specialist knowledge isnt really true... 

 

What taps to use?  There are several types... Tile adhesives...  many types... Some panels are not suitable for wet/damp rooms... 

 

There are different types of Toilet bowls... some easy to fit, some require the skills of a Micro surgeon to get the bolts tight and everything sealed... 

 

One thing I will say... the key to a good finish is usually good preparation!   

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One way of bringing the cost down is to use cheaper labour than e. g. fully trained plumbers who will charge more than € 50/hour. I´ve used a "Hausmeisterservice" charging € 30/hour back in 2019.

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2 hours ago, dstanners said:

The vast majority of that will be labour. 

 

 

Or profit.

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10 hours ago, wien4ever said:

The last quote I got from Viterma (one of these cover your whole bathroom with space-age paneling) wanted 24k for complete reno!

Did they specify the quote with labour and material? How large is your bathroom?

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5 hours ago, lunasuenos said:

. Painted tiles with obi tile paint

 

In the past I heard that tile paint is so crap you'd be better off getting the kids to colour them in with a sharpie. Have you found the paint has worn well? So far?

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5 hours ago, dstanners said:

... plumbing in a toilet, sink, shower and bath really doesn't require specialist knowledge.

 

I suspect the by-word will be EXPERIENCE. Rookie pitfalls whilst learning on the job... hmm...

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Good grief, we are talking water here not gas or electricity! So, take a bucket and a couple of towels and make sure you check each connection as you go along. It really is not difficult. You want fancy taps? Make sure you take them with you to the baumarkt when you buy your flexible hoses. You want an unusual toilet? Buy a flexible fitting to the soil pipe. Not sure which board you can tile on in a bathroom or which adhesives or sealants you need (yes there are loads of different types)? If the picture of a bathroom on the container doesn't help, just ask the chap at the baumarkt: they sell stuff specifically for tiling in bathrooms.

All too much work, too scary? Then be prepared that it is common to pay top dollar for workers in Germany, who (like in most other countries in the world) may or may not do a decent job. Ask neighbours for recommendations, or try https://www.my-hammer.de

Good luck.

 

 

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1 hour ago, dstanners said:

Good grief, we are talking water here not gas or electricity!

 

I woke up some 8 years ago to a panicking child who had gone for a wee in the night and discovered that water was gushing from the bath taps.

 

Thankfully, you-tube.

 

Couple of videos later, the mains water was off and the following morning we cycled to the baumarkt to get ourselves a new tap. We then lived with a drip for a few weeks until Paps came back because none of us could quite get enough torque to contain the water completely, but it was absolutely do-able.

 

Having said that, doing a whole bathroom would be a right faff. Last year the towel rail thingy was peeing water and trying to replace the tap on that was a nightmare - as Spidey says, there were too many options and it needed to be perfect and multiple times it wasn't. In the end I sorted it, but I got quite wet a few times first.... 

 

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3 hours ago, kiplette said:

 

In the past I heard that tile paint is so crap you'd be better off getting the kids to colour them in with a sharpie. Have you found the paint has worn well? So far?

When i first decided to try it i was not expecting much but was completely surprised with the result. Wiped down walls with acetone 2 coats of semi gloss white over fairly dark beige. Did not sand anything, but 8 tiles that had raised designs. Sanded thise flat and cant be seen. I dont think i would use on the actual shower walls myself, but all the rest ok. I even had a few place i had some glue from floor tile and removed it from painted walls without issue. I also do not think i would go with full gloss as it would be too shiny

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