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My daughter's boyfriend is searching for career ideas and hasn't had much inspiration from school careers advisors. His latest idea is to join the police force and he has an interview soon.  

 

Can anyone offer any real insight into police careers from your own experience or from someone you know?

 

Any advice would be very much appreciated. 

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Emkay, where is he?  Police in Germany, UK?  US?  I was for a very long time, but it is dependent upon where he will be.

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24 minutes ago, BayrischDude said:

Emkay, where is he?  Police in Germany, UK?  US?  I was for a very long time, but it is dependent upon where he will be.

Hessen, between Frankfurt and Aschaffenburg.  Bayern would also bè an option.

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4 minutes ago, SpiderPig said:

why are you getting involved?

 

 

Because the kid has no other parental or family support.

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7 minutes ago, coolness.personified said:

Because she cares

And that :).

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I dont understand why you are getting involved...

 

If you get all positive replies here and he signs up then gets seriously injured .... then  the finger will get pointed at you!...

 

The whole idea of him going for the interveiw is so that questions can be asked...

 

Are there no German forums where real life German experiences are being exchanged?

 

 

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29 minutes ago, emkay said:

Hessen, between Frankfurt and Aschaffenburg.  Bayern would also bè an option.

 So he's not off to uni?  LKA or BKA would be the best possible option in my opinion, but it all depends upon aspirations and education.

 

Uniformed police in Germany are badly understaffed.  We are all aware of that.  The biggest issue I've encountered regardless where I was in the world and which level of law enforcement I word with, is the initial training.  If the initial training is poor, then the trainee is on the streets poorly trained.  One can hope the daily training supervisor, can make corrections, but cops worldwide love to train by telling war-stories.  There is a training plan, but even the teachers deviate or digress. 

 

One of the best pieces of advise I can offer is study.  Not merely while in police school, but after.  Rules and laws change constantly, and the best law enforcement people I've ever known stay atop trends and changes in law.  Here in the EU, that involves not only studying laws in Hessen or Bayern, but Germany, surrounding countries and the EU.

 

It is a highly stressful job, but is also very rewarding.  One has to have the aptitude to handle near anything.  To see a dead body or have a gun pointed at them or chat with someone who is either strung out or high as a kite.  And do their best to not bring this shite home with them at the end of the day.

 

To me, the rewards outweighed the stress.  Helping people, solving investigations, saving lives.  That mattered.  The one item that not only bothered me, but nearly all cops I dealt with was the internal bureaucracy.  And cops often feel that they are the ones with the handcuffs on, placed by the desk-molesters.

 

Do you feel this lad has the mental capacity to make quick decisions and can handle stressful situations with a cool head?

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7 minutes ago, BayrischDude said:

 So he's not off to uni?  LKA or BKA would be the best possible option in my opinion, but it all depends upon aspirations and education.

 

Do you feel this lad has the mental capacity to make quick decisions and can handle stressful situations with a cool head?

 

Thank you BD.  Yes, he would like to maybe go to Uni.  He's worked really hard since his Hauptschule Abschluss and about to do his Realschule Abschluss.  His teacher has just told him that he now qualified to continue with Fachabitur. He's currently at a Kaufmännische Schule which seemed a good idea at the time as a good general choice though he doesn't seem keen to persue a career in that direction.  

 

Yes, I think he would have the right mental capacity to make quick decisions and can handle stressful situations with a cool head.

 

 

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@emkay sadly, all of my old contacts from the LKA and BKA, like me, have gone into the happy life of retirement or I've simply lost contact with them.  If I had to chose, I would say LKA.  I worked closely with the LKA in Munich and was often quite impressed.  They do quite a bit of intelligence gathering along with investigations. 

 

But to have the title Kriminalpolizei is rather cool in itself.  I would not trade my years of investigating crimes for one day of traffic police or dealing with a simple assault.  It is quite rewarding to work a crime scene, conduct interviews and solve a myriad of crimes.  White collar or fraud crimes are boring, but I absolutely loved them.  But then I am not normal, so it suited.  Some loved working sex crimes.  To each their own.

 

GSG9 is also an idea.  Brilliantly trained and specialised.  A wee more military than the average police.  They work more terrorism, kidnapping and hostage matters and are rather good at it.  I did work with them a few times.

 

I understand that I am not advocating the average police much.  As I didn't work that level, it's hard for me to have loads of insight.  I do, but it is limit to my daily dealings with them.

 

What it will come really down to, is what aspect of policing interests him.  Computer crimes?  GSG9 style?  Investigations?  Police patrol?  Intel gathering?  Once he knows, he'll better know the direction that suits best.

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1 hour ago, SpiderPig said:

why are you getting involved?

 

 

 

 

Why are you getting involved?

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1 hour ago, emkay said:

 

Thank you BD.  Yes, he would like to maybe go to Uni.  

 

To go to Uni he needs Abi, to got to FH (including police fh) he needs Fachabi.

 

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Hessen, between Frankfurt and Aschaffenburg.  Bayern would also bè an option.

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He's worked really hard since his Hauptschule Abschluss and about to do his Realschule Abschluss. 

 

Hessen doesn't hire with only Realschulabschluss, he needs at least Fachabi: 

 

"Die Polizei des Landes Hessen stellt seit 1995 nur noch in den gehobenen Polizeivollzugsdienst (Polizeikommissarin/-kommissar bzw. Kriminalkommissarin/-kommissar) ein. Die Ausbildung beinhaltet ein dreijähriges Studium, somit ist Einstellungsvoraussetzung das Abitur bzw. die Fachhochschulreife, eine Meisterprüfung oder ein entsprechender Bildungsabschluss. (...) 

Vor der Einstellung in den gehobenen Polizeivollzugsdienst steht jedoch immer der Erwerb der Fachhochschulreife oder der Erwerb eines gleichwertigen Bildungsabschlusses. (Dieser kann nicht bei der Polizei erworben werden)".

 

Bayern is his only chance.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, someonesdaughter said:

 

To go to Uni he needs Abi, to got to FH (including police fh) he needs Fachabi.

 

Hessen doesn't hire with only Realschulabschluss, he needs at least Fachabi: 

 

 

Thank you for your advice.  He has just been approved to do his Fachabi after his Realschule Abschluss. From his enquiries so far, Fachabi won't give him many opportunities in Hochschule or Uni compared with general Abitur.  

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However reading the Hessen Page to the end(*), you can apply with a Realschulabschluss and if they accept you, you can then go on to do the Fachhochschulreife and start at the police afterwards. It might be worth looking into this, having a job sorted at the end of school might be a great motivator to the the FH-Reife.

 

(*) Bewerberinnen und Bewerber, die einen mittleren oder gleichwertigen Bildungsabschluss demnächst erwerben bzw. bereits besitzen, können sich trotzdem um eine Einstellung in den gehobenen Polizeivollzugsdienst des Landes Hessen bewerben.

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8 minutes ago, emkay said:

He has just been approved to do his Fachabi after his Realschule Abschluss. From his enquiries so far, Fachabi won't give him many opportunities in Hochschule or Uni compared with general Abitur.  

 

Which Fach?

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One thing that strikes me from the Police whenever I see programs (not much daily contact with them myself!) is that they are very committed people who care about people, society, and upholding the law.  They need to have really good communication and people skills, and be calm headed and patient.  They need to enjoy working with people and need to be able to adapt quickly to a situation.

 

This got me googling for qualities and I found the following;

 

 

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Qualities every police officer should have

... these are the qualities our experts say make good cops great:

  • Compassion
  • Attention to detail
  • Ethical and professional responsibility
  • Creativity
  • Self-reflection abilities
  • Verbal and non-verbal communication skills
  • The ability to think critically
  • A sense of teamwork

 

 

I would also add;

 

  • A sharp mind
  • Endless curiosity

 

I do think that if he has an interview then he needs to show commitment and passion for the job and what it entails.

Remember that in such a job you see the worst of humanity, and the worst of cases and you need to deal with and handle this.

 

He should read books written by former Police officers who will talk about the good, bad, and very ugly parts of the job and how they dealt with it.  This will give a good insight, and allow him to understand what he is getting into and what is expected from him.

 

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17 minutes ago, emkay said:

 

Thank you for your advice.  He has just been approved to do his Fachabi after his Realschule Abschluss. From his enquiries so far, Fachabi won't give him many opportunities in Hochschule or Uni compared with general Abitur.  

 

Fachabi would give him lots of options, he could go to any FH and do a variety of studies. It all depends on his aims, however  if he wanted to do law, medicine or Egyptology he'd need general Abitur.

 

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7 minutes ago, engelchen said:

 

Which Fach?

Kaufmännische that includes German, maths and English.  He thought it a good general choice at the time of not being sure of future careers.  I believe (not sure of all the facts) that he couldn't go onto a gymnasium Abitur as he had never learned a third language.  Gymnasiums around here required either French, Spanish or Latin although each subject can be dropped before Abi.

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One can also think about Bundespolizei (border police).

 

It's more boring usually (passport checks, dealing with drunks at the railway stations etc), but there might be less severe requirements regarding qualifications.

 

GSG9 is an elite anti terror unit of the Bundespolizei, it's the Harvard of police. Very interesting, but very difficult to get there.

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