Trump's Presidency: Is this the next domino to fall?

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2 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

Oh, man, this transcript. Maybe that's why I am having a holy ghost party up in here.

 

 

That's a real smocking gun, ain't it?

 

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Trump told Zelensky he would have Giuliani give him a call, and also have Attorney General William Barr call "to the bottom of it."

 

"I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out," Mr. Trump said.

 

Mr. Trump asked Zelensky to "do us a favor" and "find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine" with regards to Crowdstrike, a cybersecurity company which helped investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election.

 

Mr. Trump also asked about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. The president has claimed without evidence that Biden, as vice president, worked to remove a Ukrainian prosecutor specifically because he was investigating a company where Hunter Biden. That prosecutor had been condemned by the international community for corruption.

 

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me," Mr. Trump told Zelensky, referring to former Vice President Joe Biden.

Source (including the actual transcript, before the trolls and demented alcoholics start shouting FAKE NEWS)

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Just now, El Jeffo said:

That's a real smocking gun, ain't it?

 

He's foked.

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11 minutes ago, AlexTr said:

Oh, man, this transcript. Maybe that's why I am having a holy ghost party up in here.

 

In a statement, Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said that the Justice Department’s criminal division “reviewed the official record of the call and determined, based on the facts and applicable law, that there was no campaign finance violation and that no further action was warranted.”

“All relevant components of the Department agreed with this legal conclusion, and the Department has concluded the matter,” Kupec said.

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Which happens first?

1.  Trump is impeached.

2.  Biden withdraws from the 2020 Presidential race. 

 

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Oh dear...

 

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/4319/Will-Donald-Trump-be-impeached-by-year-end-2019#data

 

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Lead balloon eh?

 

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And they are calling it a memo:

 

 

So from the original transcript it seems the Ukies have Hilary's Server the Complete Edition (who doesn't?) probably with the baby munching video on it. I always thought it was the Chinese or the Russians. 

 

Fucking funny. They are toast.

 

 

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And just like that, #crowdstrike trends on the Twitter battlespace...

 

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...and of course, there is absolutely NO impeachment taking place...

 

 

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AND, we're still knee deep in nonsensical Trumpspeak.

 

There has been no President in the history of our Country who has been treated so badly as I have. The Democrats are frozen with hatred and fear. They get nothing done. This should never be allowed to happen to another President. Witch Hunt!

 
 
 
JFK called ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... and Abraham Lincoln is on hold.
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Trump news - live: President defends phone call after memo reveals he pressured Ukraine leader to find dirt on Biden, as White House rages over impeachment

 

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A memorandum showing notes of the conversation between Donald Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky has been released.

It shows Mr Trump encouraged Mr Zelensky to investigate his main 2020 rival Joe Biden. The release came the day after a formal impeachment inquiry was launched by Congress over the scandal around the president's phone call with Ukraine.

 

Critics of the president have accused him of threatening to withhold military aid to the country to force an investigation into corruption allegations against Mr Biden and his son Hunter. Mr Biden spoke out against the president’s “abuse of power” last night and said if he refused to cooperate with an investigation, he would leave Congress with “no choice but to initiate impeachment”.

 

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Apparently the Trumpanistas are trying to play down the Ukraine scandal by pretending it's all about him and this one phone call. It isn't. It's been going on for months, mostly in plain sight, and has involved top cabinet members, as well as low-rent Nosferatu Rudy Guiliani. But Trump generates so much noise that we tend to forget what he did last month, to say nothing of last year.

 

The New Yorker provides an excellent written summary here. How it starts:

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On July 25, President Trump held a phone call in which he repeatedly leaned on Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden and Paul Manafort’s prosecutors. The episode is so blatantly inappropriate even Trump’s most fervent apologists are, with a few exceptions, having trouble defending it. What they are trying to do, instead, is define this phone call as the entire scandal. Trump emphasizes that he “didn’t specifically mention the explicit quid pro quo” of military aid in return for the investigation.

 

That is true, as far as it goes. The quid pro quo in the call, though perfectly apparent, is mostly implicit. But the real trick in Trump’s defense is framing the call as the entire scandal. The scandal is much more than that. The call is a snapshot, a moment in time in a months-long campaign that put American policy toward Ukraine at the disposal of Trump’s personal interests and reelection campaign.

 

If you prefer to get your news visually, I recommend this excellent summary by Seth Meyers:

 

This wrap-up by Stephen Colbert touches on many of the same points:

 

Note that the vast majority of the comedy from both monologues comes from how crazy Trump's surrogates are acting, especially Rudy, as well as Trump himself. You can watch him change his excuses almost hourly. And it's all real, proving that this really is - as John Oliver puts it - Stupid Watergate.

 

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13 minutes ago, El Jeffo said:

Apparently the Trumpanistas are trying to play down the Ukraine scandal by pretending it's all about him and this one phone call. It isn't. It's been going on for months, mostly in plain sight, and has involved top cabinet members, as well as low-rent Nosferatu Rudy Guiliani.

 

The basis of the momentum for impeachment was the one telephone call between Trump and the leader of the Ukraine.  The whistleblower blew a whistle based on this call.    Independent of the content of the call, it is not the Trumpsters who have focused on this call.

13 minutes ago, El Jeffo said:

But Trump generates so much noise that we tend to forget what he did last month, to say nothing of last year.

 

As i warned you, AlexTr, and Wulfrun yesterday, the media generates noise which turns into nothing putting people like yourselves onto the euphoria, disappointment, frustration, anger, depression cycle.   It is actually sad to watch.     You have been doing this for 250+ pages of this 300 page thread.   

 

13 minutes ago, El Jeffo said:

 

The New Yorker provides an excellent written summary here

 

If you prefer to get your news visually, I recommend this excellent summary by Seth Meyers:

 

This wrap-up by Stephen Colbert touches on many of the same points. 

 

Note that the vast majority of the comedy from both monologues comes from how crazy Trump's surrogates are acting, especially Rudy, as well as Trump himself. You can watch him change his excuses almost hourly. And it's all real, proving that this really is - as John Oliver puts it - Stupid Watergate.

 

 

Instead of reading a publication which has never published anything neutral about Trump and relying on late night comics to provide political analysis, why not rely on what has been released and wait and see what happens with the whistleblower?    

 

If you go out to MSNBC or CNN or various other outlets, they will tell you what you want to hear, but when reality hits, you are going to be depressed.   

 

Instead of looking for silver bullets, get involved in the process to find a candidate who can beat Trump in 2020.         

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1 hour ago, balticus said:

As i warned you, AlexTr, and Wulfrun yesterday, the media generates noise which turns into nothing putting people like yourselves onto the euphoria, disappointment, frustration, anger, depression cycle.   It is actually sad to watch.     You have been doing this for 250+ pages of this 300 page thread.   

 

Instead of reading a publication which has never published anything neutral about Trump and relying on late night comics to provide political analysis, why not rely on what has been released and wait and see what happens with the whistleblower?    

 

Balti we're on page 303. Has he been to the electric chair yet?

 

Is poor Jeffo getting his news from John Oliver? Dear me, and he accuses me of believing in my "silly cult" of 8chan? Go dig up a pre-Presidential-race Donald Trump interview with JO and you'll see JO being a bit different to The Donald. 

 

As for finding a non sleazy alt to Biden, Pocahontas has some promise:

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/first-time-warren-beats-out-biden-no-1-spot-national-poll

 

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It should come as no surprise that Paul Manafort is involved in the Ukraine scheme as well, which included efforts to discredit the Mueller investigation.

 

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The effort by President Trump to pressure the government of Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son had its origins in an earlier endeavor to obtain information that might provide a pretext and political cover for the president to pardon his former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, according to previously undisclosed records.  

 

These records indicate that attorneys representing Trump and Manafort respectively had at least nine conversations relating to this effort, beginning in the early days of the Trump administration, and lasting until as recently as May of this year. Through these deliberations carried on by his attorneys, Manafort exhorted the White House to press Ukrainian officials to investigate and discredit individuals, both in the US and in Ukraine, who he believed had published damning information about his political consulting work in the Ukraine. A person who participated in the joint defense agreement between President Trump and others under investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, including Manafort, allowed me to review extensive handwritten notes that memorialized conversations relating to Manafort and Ukraine between Manafort’s and Trump’s legal teams, including Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

 

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The allegations that President Trump improperly pressured the head of state of a foreign government to improperly investigate the son of his potential Democratic opponent in the 2020 presidential race, and even withheld $250 million in military aid to that country, have become grounds for an impeachment inquiry. The new disclosures in this story underscore how this scheme originated in the long-running coordination between Trump, Giuliani, and Manafort to frustrate the Mueller investigation

 

There's plenty more in the link. Can't wait to see our alt-RW shills and demented alcoholic try to spin their way out of this one.

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Any of you wanna get weirded out about links behind all these crazies? Amazing Polly has an awesome channel with incredible research. Seems the Communists used to accuse those who disagreed with them of mental illness and lock them in hospitals. Any of that tactic familiar?

 

 

Not sure if this fits to here or the Climate thread, as the social engineers behind Greta Thunberg are also within this purview.

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LOL, now we're all "communists" because we think j² is certifiable.

 

In that case, pass the borscht, comrades!

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four Democrats wrote to the Ukraine in May  2018 asking them to dig up dirt on Trump, Trump yesterday asked the Ukraine WHY they stopped the probe, if anybody should be impeached or fired it should be those four Dems

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House backs release of Trump whistleblower complaint 421-0 - because the rule of law matters.

 

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The U.S. House of Representatives voted 421-0 on Wednesday for a resolution calling on President Donald Trump to release a whistleblower complaint to Congress, despite the administration letting them view the classified document at secure locations in the U.S. Capitol.

 

Two House members voted present and 10 did not vote.

 

The document is central to the impeachment inquiry into the Republican president announced on Tuesday by the Democratic House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, after reports that Trump had tried to put pressure on Ukraine’s president to help smear a political rival.

 

The Senate passed a similar resolution by unanimous voice vote on Tuesday.

 

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So, Trump was looking for some kind of cover with which he could pardon Manafort. Aaannhhh! Try again, doofus. Not happening.

 

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The effort by President Trump to pressure the government of Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son had its origins in an earlier endeavor to obtain information that might provide a pretext and political cover for the president to pardon his former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, according to previously undisclosed records.  

 

These records indicate that attorneys representing Trump and Manafort respectively had at least nine conversations relating to this effort, beginning in the early days of the Trump administration, and lasting until as recently as May of this year. Through these deliberations carried on by his attorneys, Manafort exhorted the White House to press Ukrainian officials to investigate and discredit individuals, both in the US and in Ukraine, who he believed had published damning information about his political consulting work in the Ukraine. A person who participated in the joint defense agreement between President Trump and others under investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, including Manafort, allowed me to review extensive handwritten notes that memorialized conversations relating to Manafort and Ukraine between Manafort’s and Trump’s legal teams, including Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

 

These new disclosures emerge as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced on Tuesday that the House would open a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump’s conduct. What prompted her actions were the new allegations that surfaced last week that Trump had pressured Ukraine’s newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to investigate Trump’s potential 2020 campaign rival, Biden, and his son Hunter, placing a freeze on a quarter of a billion dollars in military assistance to Ukraine as leverage. The impeachment inquiry will also examine whether President Trump obstructed justice by attempting to curtail investigations by the FBI and the special counsel into Russia’s covert interference in the 2016 presidential election in Trump’s favor.  

 

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