Trump's Presidency: Is this the next domino to fall?

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1 hour ago, jeremytwo said:

I hear he's allowed cannabis cultivation in the US.

 

WRONG again.

 

Some states have allowed it.

 

 

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Magic mushrooms were legalized in Denver by Denver. Trump gets no credit (if one thinks it creditworthy) for this. This is one of those complex parts of the US republic for people not familiar with it so no shame in not knowing as a non-citizen.

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I´m not giving Trump any credit, Alex!  Credit to local people!

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7 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

We always picked out own in cow pastures. Didn't need government approval.

 

They grow up in the Welsh mountains behind my old village John! I once took 40 of them. Wow. I'd never heard "purple" music till then. Awe inspiring.

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A recipe:

https://www.magic-mushrooms-shop.com/en/blog/easy-magic-mushrooms-recipe

 

Written on behalf of a few ageing hippies from that time ( without their permission ) and anyway hitchhiking laws were a bitch in the US at that time and worse was  at the Mexican Consulate in Los Angeles and, equally, at the Guatemalan Consulate in Los Angeles: the sign on the wall: " no men with long hair can enter the country. "

Truly so...so I broke my budget and had a haircut before walking across to Tijuana....

Bitches..

:lol:

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This calls for a song John:

 

 

I saw this band supporting Hawkwind once. Oh God, just came across the Kings of nuttiness:

 

 

 

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So, Trumpy asked McGahn to deny that there was obstruction and McGahn said no. That's why McGahn can't testify. That's why the administration is stalling Mueller. That is why they are trying to hide the report using executive privilege (this one won't fly, folks)

 

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White House officials asked at least twice in the past month for the key witness against President Trump in the Mueller report, Donald F. McGahn II, to say publicly that he never believed the president obstructed justice, according to two people briefed on the requests.

 

Mr. Trump asked White House officials to make the request to Mr. McGahn, who was the president’s first White House counsel, one of the people said. Mr. McGahn declined. His reluctance angered the president, who believed that Mr. McGahn showed disloyalty by telling investigators for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, about Mr. Trump’s attempts to maintain control over the Russia investigation.

 

The White House made one of the requests to Mr. McGahn’s lawyer, William A. Burck, before the Mueller report was released publicly but after the Justice Department gave a copy to Mr. Trump’s lawyers in the preceding days. Reading the report, the president’s lawyers saw that Mr. Mueller left out that Mr. McGahn had told investigators that he believed the president never obstructed justice. Mr. Burck had told them months earlier about his client’s belief on the matter and that he had shared it with investigators.

 

Mr. McGahn initially entertained the White House request. “We did not perceive it as any kind of threat or something sinister,” Mr. Burck said in a statement. “It was a request, professionally and cordially made.” A White House spokeswoman did not respond to a message seeking comment.

 

But after the report was released, detailing the range of actions Mr. Trump took to try to impede the inquiry, Mr. McGahn decided to pass on putting out a statement supportive of the president. The report also revealed that Mr. Trump told aides he believed Mr. McGahn had leaked to the news media to make himself look good.

 

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1 hour ago, AlexTr said:

So, Trumpy asked McGahn to deny that there was obstruction and McGahn said no. That's why McGahn can't testify. That's why the administration is stalling Mueller. That is why they are trying to hide the report using executive privilege (this one won't fly, folks)

 

 

Exactly what an innocent man who's been completely exonerated over the collusion delusion would do, right?

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Donald Trump hit the retweet button hard on Saturday morning.

The president went on yet another retweet rampage as he re-shared 60 posts in around 45 minutes that praised him, defended him or echoed his main talking points.

Themes included immigration, his national emergency on the U.S.-Mexico border, special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia report, the economy, his trade war with China and his 2016 Democratic election rival Hillary Clinton.

Posts from ultra-conservative website Breitbart News, Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, GOP chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Mike Huckabee, the former Republican governor of Arkansas, all figured in the avalanche of retweets.

 

 

Does anyone else have the feeling that he has no time for his son, Baron?

Lucky kid.

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Never mix politics and religion, right?

 

 

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The last time Vice President Mike Pence spoke at Liberty University, he used the backdrop of one of the world’s largest Christian schools to vouch for candidate Donald Trump’s faith credentials during the 2016 campaign.

When Pence returned to the school Saturday to deliver the commencement address, his remarks were more personal.

Pence, who has been facing criticisms of his own religious views recently, warned graduates that they have to stay strong against the challenges they’ll get from Hollywood, the media and the secular left.

“Some of the loudest voices for tolerance today have little tolerance for traditional Christian beliefs,” Pence said. “Be ready.”

With his wife, Karen, sitting on stage as he spoke, Pence recounted the “harsh attacks” he said they endured when she returned this year to teaching art at a Christian elementary school where she’d worked when he’d served in Congress. Unlike her previous stint, this time Karen Pence faced scrutiny after news reports pointed out that the school bans gay students and teachers.

“Throughout most of American history, it's been pretty easy to call yourself Christian,” Pence said. “It didn’t even occur to people that you might be shunned or ridiculed for defending the teachings of the Bible. But things are different now.”

Pence said the graduates will be asked not just to tolerate things that violate their faith, but to endorse them.

Pence didn’t specifically mention this, but he’s been a target on the presidential campaign trail, where Democratic candidate Pete Buttigieg has gotten attentionfor questioning how Pence can square his faith with both his support for Trump and his opposition to gay marriage.

And the commencement address that Pence is scheduled to deliver next week at a Christian school in his home state has divided Taylor University. An online petition started by a Taylor alum complains that the address will make the school “complicit in the Trump-Pence Administration's policies, which we believe are not consistent with the Christian ethic of love we hold dear.”

By contrast, Pence received a warm welcome Saturday at Liberty University where president Jerry Falwell Jr. is a strong supporter of Trump. Introducing Pence, Falwell called him "one of the most engaged and influential vice presidents in my lifetime," despite facing the "unrelenting scrutiny of a hostile press."

Four Liberty University alumni work in Pence’s office. Six of Saturday’s graduates had been students in Karen Pence’s classrooms.

In 2016, when release of a video showing Trump boasting crudely about grabbing women’s genitals threatened to bring down his campaign, Pence traveled to Liberty University to urge people of faith to rally for Trump.

“Shortcomings are no excuse for inaction,” Pence said.

After Trump took office, he chose Liberty University for his first commencement address. As Pence did this year, Trump in 2017 encouraged graduates to stay tough under criticism. And he also thanked attendees for their support.

“Boy, did you come out and vote,” he said. “Boy, oh, boy, you voted, you voted.”

About 81% of white evangelicals voted for the Trump/Pence ticket.  That’s a greater share than supported George W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008 or Mitt Romney in 2012.

A recent Morning Consult survey shows why Pence’s message Saturday that Christians are under attack might resonate with his audience.

The April survey asked people if they felt respected by various types of groups including late night comedians, people who work on Wall Street, national journalists, and college professors at elite universities.  Less than 30% of white evangelical Protestants felt respected by any of those groups. But nearly two-thirds said that Trump respected “people like them.”

 

“There is that feeling that Trump quite smartly identified and has made one of the central parts of his appeal,” said Daniel Cox, a research fellow in polling and public opinion at the American Enterprise Institute.  “He respects conservative Christians even if he is not exactly one of them in terms of how he’s lived his life.”

 

Pence referenced the Biblical figures of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego is warning graduates that they are going “to be asked to bow down to the idols of the popular culture.”

The three men refused to worship a golden idol and were thrown into a fiery furnace. But after King Nebuchadnezzar saw them walking around in the flames unharmed, accompanied by the son of God, he had the men removed and said their God should be worshipped.

“Just know this: If, like Shadrek, Meshach and Abednego you end up in the fire, there'll be another in the fire,” Pence told the graduates, who applauded the reference.

Speaking “not so much as your vice president but as a brother in Christ,” Pence encouraged the students to “stand firm” and be prepared to share the reason for their hope, doing so “with gentleness and respect.”

“Because our nation and our world need that message of grace and love,” Pence said, “maybe more now than ever before.”

 

 

 

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Valid point Frootz.

 

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“Some of the loudest voices for tolerance today have little tolerance for traditional Christian beliefs,” Pence said. “Be ready.”

 

He has a point though. we have to be tolerant of somewhat intolerant faiths just to be "inclusive"

 

You Amis do tend to blue the lines between religion and state - you have that entire "Bible Belt". We Brits have always drawn a strict line. 

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Yet another amazingly ill-considered and terminally flawed opinion from someone who lacks the synaptic elasticity to get how stupid what he just said was.

Try this: No, My Diversity Doesn’t Have to Tolerate Your Bigotry

 

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The commitment to diversity and equality means demanding that everyone gets a seat at the table; that each person’s inherent worth is recognized there, that no one is devalued or excluded based on a fixed and fundamental part of their identity: skin color, gender, nation of origin, sexual orientation, religion, etc.

 

This means that we declare every human being equally valuable. It does not mean we treat all behavior or all opinions equally:

 

If your opinion directly endangers people based on those essential parts of who they are—we’ll pushback.


If your worldview permits you to treat someone as less deserving of civil rights or it discards their basic humanity—your worldview is a threat to true diversity.


If your evaluation of another makes you more tolerant of their mistreatment or less outraged by hate crimes against them, that’s a fundamental problem.

 

Active discrimination and violence don’t get a seat at the table. They don’t get proximity to do further damage to people. We won’t sacrifice marginalized people on the altar of ceremonial diversity.

 

For example, a gay teenager and a Baptist preacher are both invited into genuine community and both welcomed into conversation, but  it is a far greater ask of the teenager. If the preacher insists on the inherent depravity of the students, if he or she cannot see the teenager as fully equal to them in the eyes of God or the Law—this is a barrier to diverse community and an assault on the teenager’s very identity. The teenager’s place at the table is terribly altered by the preacher, not the other way around.

Diversity will always err on the side of the marginalized and always be an inconvenience to the privileged because diversity seeks justice. It demands respect for those who are not experiencing it.

 

The contention for the past year has been that all political perspectives are valid, but I won’t consent to that and it’s a matter of personal safety. No individual groups of people are explicitly, measurably endangered by a Progressive platform, they receive the same consideration. But I can illustrate the specific ways people of color, immigrants, Muslims, women, and the LGBTQ community are less safe and less represented by this Administration, which is already by its conduct, a movement of exclusion. 

Friend, I can respect you and seek to understand you, while declaring your actions or those of politicians you support, completely reprehensible. I can criticize your conduct or the results of your behavior without attacking your worth. That’s how this works.

 

If you believe people of color are simply inferior to white people, you’re going to have to work hard to stay at the table.


If you believe LGBTQ people to be abominations in the eyes of the God you worship, you’re not coming to the table in peace.


If you believe Muslims are likely terrorists, you probably won’t feel welcome at the table for long.

 

And so no, it isn’t at all hypocritical to champion diversity and to confront injustice simultaneously. They are fully collaborative and integrated movements.

 

Embracing diversity does not mean tolerating active bigotry or violence against people. The table is bigger, not because you can say or do any horrible thing you want to, it’s bigger because each person’s inherent worth is protected there—especially those usually marginalized.

 

All people are welcomed at the table but bigotry isn’t, so save the allegation that its acceptance is a requirement for me.

 

Equality demands decency toward humanity’s diverse gathering—and it’s what I demand.

 

I extend to the racists and homophobes of my communities the same contempt I have for the religious bigots of ISIS. You don't deserve unfettered free speech to put other people's lives in danger by marginalizing them. You don't deserve to have your opinions respected when those opinions are that it is okay for you not to respect the existence of other people. And telling you so does not make me a bigot. 

 

I refer you to Karl Popper and request you educate yourself properly about tolerating intolerance.

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So much duh

 

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One of Donald Trump's top economic advisers has acknowledged the president was wrong to suggest that China would pay tariffs on its exports to the US.

 

Larry Kudlow, who heads the National Economic Council, accepted it was US businesses that paid the import tax.

 

He told Fox News that he believed "both sides will suffer" from the escalating trade dispute.

 

On Friday Mr Trump tweeted that tariffs on $250bn of goods coming into the US were being paid "by China".

 

The president argued there was "no need to rush" into a trade agreement with China, as the US Treasury was benefiting from these "massive payments".

 

However, in an interview with Fox News Sunday, Mr Kudlow admitted that it was American businesses that paid the tariffs on any goods brought in from China, and that US consumers would also foot the bill if firms passed on the cost increase.

 

Mr Kudlow said he thought the tariffs would also have an impact on China's economy, as the higher cost would reduce US demand for Chinese goods.

 

"Both sides will suffer on this," he said.
 

 

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The Duh is also strong in this one. How the tariffs will effect shoe prices and who pays for it - 

 

 

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Anxiety is building across the industry after President Donald Trump ordered U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to begin the process of raising tariffs on nearly all remaining imports from China, which are valued at approximately $300 billion.

If Trump ultimately moves forward with the hikes, which would impact footwear, both companies and consumers would be hit hard. According to the Footwear Distributors and Retailers of America (FDRA), retail price increases could be “staggering.”

The president’s latest threat was announced on Friday evening after a new round of tariff increases, which did not include shoes, went into effect following a breakdown in talks with China. (Trump raised tariffs from 10% to 25% on $200 billion in Chinese imports.)

“We simply cannot understand why President Trump would use American footwear consumers as a bargaining chip in his fight with China. These added tariffs will drive up shoe prices for U.S. consumers, take away disposable income, and hit working class individuals and families the hardest,” said Matt Priest, president and CEO of FDRA. “Higher costs for our consumers means we sell less shoes. This threatens jobs in our industry and could put U.S. footwear companies out of business. [Shoe firms] already pay $3 billion in tariffs every year, and such a significant increase on top of this burden would be devastating for our industry.”

FDRA crunched the numbers to illustrate how much of a price hike consumers could face if new shoe tariffs go into effect. The organization examined shoes (sneakers, boots and children’s shoes) that the average American buys in a chain store at current duty rates — and then looked at how those prices would increase with a 25% additional tariff.

*Estimates are based on landed costs, duty, and final import price. To determine the final retail prices, FDRA calculated warehouse, marketing, transit, stocking and labor costs and also considered margins.

SNEAKERS:

Now:

Import Price: $14.60

Current Duty Rate: 14.1%

Duty: $2.06

Final Import Price: $16.06

Final Retail: $48.18 *

After Proposed Tariffs

Import Price: $14.60

Current Duty Rate: 14.1%

Duty: $2.06

Additional Duty: 25%

New Duty: $5.71

New Final Import Price: $20.31

New Final Retail: $60.93*

BOOTS:

Now

Import Price: $16.18

Current Duty Rate: 37.5%

Duty: $6.07

Final Import Price: $22.25

Final Retail: $66.74 *

After Proposed Tariffs

Import Price: $16.18

Current Duty Rate: 37.5%

Duty: $6.07

Additional Duty: 25%

New Duty: $10.11

New Final Import Price: $32.36

New Final Retail: $97.08 *

CHILDREN’S SHOES

Now

Import Price: $4.25

Current Duty Rate: 9.52%

Duty: $0.40

Final Import Price: $4.65

Final Retail: $13.96 *

After Proposed Tariffs

Import Price: $4.25

Current Duty Rate: 9.52%

Duty: $0.40

Additional Duty: 25%

New Duty: $1.87

New Final Import Price: $6.12

New Final Retail: $18.36 *

 

 

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Not that I'm in favor of Trump's trade war, ff, but the FDRA's figures above sound highly suspect and self-serving.

 

Take the sneakers example: There's no reason why a $4 increase in the final import price should result in a $12 jump in the final retail price. Likewise with the boots: a $10 increase in the final import price will allegedly cause the retail price to jump by $30.

 

Unless I'm missing something, the FDRA assumes its members will pad their profits by increasing prices three times the amount of the additional tariffs.

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You may be right, Jeffo. (I suck at math) Thanks.

 

I did read a comment by another person in the retail industry (can't find it now) who said the the higher prices on consumer goods will bake in inflation, lead to lower sales and cost jobs.

 

It will be interesting to see if the prices will go all the way back down when/if the tariffs are lifted. i.e. Like when the price of fuel drops but airplane tickets don't get any cheaper, etc.

 

 

 

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President Donald Trump is seeking an additional $15 billion in U.S. subsidies in an effort to protect farmers from the devastating impact of his trade war with China. That’s on top of $12 billion already earmarked for the farmers to help them weather the fallout.

That would be an additional bill for U.S. taxpayers already shouldering the cost of increased tariffs in the form of higher costs for products and parts from China. 

Trump revealed the subsidy figure in a tweet Friday. He suggested the government use the funds to buy agricultural products to ship to other nations for humanitarian aid, though setting up such a system would be extremely complicated. In his most recent budget proposal, Trump proposed eliminating three food aid programs, Politico noted.

The president appeared to dismiss the impact of the cost as he falsely claimed — again — that “massive” tariff payments are being paid by China “directly” to the U.S. Treasury, which would presumably be used to cover the cost of the subsidy. There is “absolutely no need to rush” to negotiate a deal with China, he tweeted.

In fact, the tariffs are paid by U.S. importers, who pass on the extra costs to the American consumer in the form of higher prices for products, a fact White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow admitted Sunday. Economists have estimated that the trade war is costing the U.S. more than $3 billion a month.

The administration last year earmarked $12 billion in aid to farmers, almost all of it in direct payments. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) applied for funds for their farms.

The rural vote helped put Trump over the top in the 2016 election, yet his trade war has hit farmers particularly hard. It has contributed to a record number of farm bankruptcies as U.S. farm exports plunge.

Other industries affected by the tariffs are not receiving subsidies.

Trump has called farmers “great patriots” who are willing to sacrifice because they “know they’re doing it for the country.”

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, fraufruit said:

Trump has called farmers “great patriots” who are willing to sacrifice because they “know they’re doing it for the country.” 

 

Reminds me of this:

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