German citizenship after 6 years

[Ashvath 15]

Dear Forum Members, 

 

I require some feedback on your experience if you have across on my similar situation, so that i can prepare bit in advance while filing application for Einbürgerung in a Month time

- Place of Birth in my wife's Passport and in her Birth Certificate does not match 

- Place of Birth in Passport is the right one,  hence we tried our country's  Embassy to correct it after applying new passport, but they declined the request 

- In little detail, Place of Birth in Birth Certificate is for example a big city Munich , but in passport it is Schwabing, which is suburban of Munich where their house address during her Birth , hence it does not go together 

- I am sure, Einbürgerungbehörde will raise this concern,  i would like to know, how this can be handled ? 

any suggestions is appreciated 

[Feierabend 1,145]

Well, my passport says place of Birth London, but my Birth Cert says Metropolitan District of Battersea (a district of London.) My kids have a similar 'mismatch.'

I have always filled out p.o.b. on official forms here in Germany and elsewhere as Battersea, London with no problems or questions asked.

 

[dstanners 1,539]

Give the amt a call, and explain the situation to them. If the town/suburb is somewhere not well known over here, then show them a map (even on Google) which shows that the "town" of birth in the passport is the relevant information they are after, but also that the "place" of birth is not incorrect/inconsistent, it is just within that town. From my experience, the chap in the citizenship office was helpful and used to dealing with these sorts of matters.

[Ashvath 15]

Thank you for quick replies, members.

I will try explaining a circumstance in written on  inconsitency of Place of Birth to Einbürgerungsbehörde, while filing application

[Ashvath 15]

Dear Members,

I have recieved a list of documents to be submitted for Einbürgerung from Behörde, in which i find a Death Certificate of parents, in my case, may parents have passed away and to acquire this certificate from my home town may be a time consuming task for me being here. 

I have never heard from any that such documents were demanded, until one claim their citizenship based on descendants. In my case it is not true. 

 

Any one has experienced that you need to provide Birth Certificate of parents or otherwise i mentioned above, for Naturalisation ? 

[bbogdanmircea 18]

Hello, after more than 1 month after taking the B1 Prufung I finally received the results.

Unfortunately the results are quite strange, I got very high grades for the Mundliche Prufung and I passed, and I got very low grades for the Leseverstehen and Horverstehen which I always did 100% or close to 100% in the Test exercises and I failed it.

I am pretty sure that I did them almost perfectly and that something strange has happened.

I noticed also some other strange stuff when I did the test, like some people who did the Schriftlicher Ausdruck in 5 minutes and then left, it looked that they knew in advance what they needed to write ...

My question is if I can ask to see my results for the Schriftliche Prufung, and where should I write?

Should I write to the school where I did the test, or are the tests corrected directly by TELC?

I am pretty sure that a mistake has been made, either intentionally or not, and I got much smaller grades than what I actually did.

[bbogdanmircea 18]

LE: I found this link, so I wrote an appeal to telc https://www.telc.net/fileadmin/user_upload/UK_OFQUAL/telc_procedure_results_reviews_appeals.pdf

[TurMech 180]

14 hours ago, bbogdanmircea said:

taking the B1 Prufung

 

With B1, you can make a citizenship application after 8 years of residence. You need B2 or above to apply after 6 years.

[bbogdanmircea 18]

I now that the topic says 6 years, but I am here since 2013 so no problem.

Maybe the topic name should be changed by an administrator...

[scook17 281]

1 minute ago, bbogdanmircea said:

I now that the topic says 6 years, but I am here since 2013 so no problem.

Maybe the topic name should be changed by an administrator...

 

But if you apply as of today, be aware it means giving up your current citizenship. The government considers changing this, so you may want to wait until the new rules are clear as to who is/is not included in this.

[TurMech 180]

2 minutes ago, bbogdanmircea said:

I now that the topic says 6 years, but I am here since 2013 so no problem.

Maybe the topic name should be changed by an administrator...

 

Actually, this topic is for those, who are interested in applying for citizenship after 6 years of residence. There are many other topics for the processes and requirements of the standard 8 years.

[bbogdanmircea 18]

Where did you read this?

I am EU Citizen I can keep both, otherwise I would not apply.

[TurMech 180]

4 minutes ago, bbogdanmircea said:

I am EU Citizen I can keep both

 

Correct. The draft is for Non-EU citizens.

 

7 minutes ago, scook17 said:

 

But if you apply as of today, be aware it means giving up your current citizenship. The government considers changing this, so you may want to wait until the new rules are clear as to who is/is not included in this.

 

Even if he was non-EU, he could get back the old citizenship as soon as the new law is in place, couldn't he?

[pappnase 2,625]

26 minutes ago, TurMech said:

Even if he was non-EU, he could get back the old citizenship as soon as the new law is in place, couldn't he?

Not necessarily and it's really getting off topic to speculate. 

We don't know what the new law will say about Germans who want to take on a second citizenship (which is what would be happening here) and we don't know which hypothetical nationality was given up, and so we have no clue what that countries rules about dual citizenship their might be. For example I know India doesn't allow it.

 

[bbogdanmircea 18]

On 5/3/2022, 7:17:51, bbogdanmircea said:

LE: I found this link, so I wrote an appeal to telc https://www.telc.net/fileadmin/user_upload/UK_OFQUAL/telc_procedure_results_reviews_appeals.pdf

Just as an info, after the appeal to telc they checked the results for my B1, and I passed the tes with Very Good, from 165 Points to over 270 !!!

The difference in the Schrifftliche Prufung was almost 110 Points, they wrote that they made an error but I don't know what really happened.

So if you are sure that you did well and you receive a very low score, please appeal as these errors seem to happen quite often :(

[pappnase 2,625]

1 hour ago, bbogdanmircea said:

The difference in the Schrifftliche Prufung was almost 110 Points, they wrote that they made an error but I don't know what really happened.

 

They probably lost a page or forgot to mark the back :-). Wow thats quite a difference, well done.

[Ashvath 15]

Below was a e-mail reply from a Einbürgerungsbehörde, concering the requirement for applying a citizenship after 6 years of residence 

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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

 

 Sie können eingebürgert werden wenn:

 

·         Sie leben seit mindestens acht Jahren gewöhnlich und rechtmäßig in Deutschland. Durch die erfolgreiche Teilnahme an einem Integrationskurs nach, wird die Frist nach Absatz 1 auf sieben Jahre verkürzt. Bei Vorliegen besonderer Integrationsleistungen, insbesondere beim Nachweis von Sprachkenntnissen, die die Voraussetzungen des Absatzes 1 Satz 1 Nummer 6 übersteigen, von besonders guten schulischen, berufsqualifizierenden oder beruflichen Leistungen oder von bürgerschaftlichem Engagement, kann sie auf bis zu sechs Jahre verkürzt werden.

 

·         Sie verfügen in Deutschland über ein unbefristetes Aufenthaltsrecht (zum Beispiel als freizügigkeitsberechtigte Unionsbürgerin oder freizügigkeitsberechtigter Unionsbürger oder auf Grund einer Niederlassungserlaubnis oder über eine qualifizierte Aufenthaltserlaubnis, die zu einem unbefristeten Aufenthalt führen kann. Eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis zu Studienzwecken reicht allerdings nicht. 

 

·         Ihren Lebensunterhalt und den Ihrer unterhaltsberechtigten Familienangehörigen können Sie ohne Sozialhilfe und Arbeitslosengeld selbst sicherstellen: Diese Voraussetzung ist insbesondere erfüllt, wenn Sie zum Zeitpunkt der Einbürgerung in einem ausreichend bezahlten Beschäftigungsverhältnis stehen.  Daher sollte der Arbeitsvertrag unbefristet sein.

 

·         Sie verfügen über ausreichende Deutschkenntnisse: Für die Einbürgerung müssen Sie die deutsche Sprache nicht perfekt beherrschen. Es genügt, wenn Sie Ihre mündlichen und schriftlichen Deutschkenntnisse durch eine Sprachprüfung - mindestens auf B1-Niveau (Gemeinsamer Europäischer Referenzrahmen) - nachweisen können. Ein deutscher Schulabschluss, eine abgeschlossene Berufsausbildung in Deutschland oder ein abgeschlossenes Studium in Deutschland belegen in der Regel ebenfalls Ihre deutschen Sprachkenntnisse.

 

·         Sie haben einen Einbürgerungstest bestanden. Mit dem erfolgreichen Einbürgerungstest weisen Sie Ihre Kenntnisse der deutschen Rechts- und Gesellschaftsordnung nach. Haben Sie einen deutschen Schulabschluss oder ein Studium in Rechts-, Sozial- oder Politikwissenschaften in Deutschland abgeschlossen? Dann müssen Sie in der Regel keinen Einbürgerungstest machen: Ihr in Deutschland erworbener Schul- oder Studienabschluss reicht in diesem Fall aus. Im Internet finden Sie einen Fragenkatalog zur Vorbereitung auf den Einbürgerungstest.

 

·         Sie sind nicht wegen einer Straftat verurteilt: Falls Sie wegen einer Straftat verurteilt worden sind oder gegen Sie in Deutschland oder im Ausland wegen des Verdachts einer Straftat ermittelt wird, müssen Sie dies der Einbürgerungsbehörde mitteilen. Die Einbürgerungsbehörde kann erst über Ihren Antrag entscheiden, wenn die Ermittlungen abgeschlossen sind.

 

·         Sie bekennen sich zum deutschen Grundgesetz: Das Grundgesetz ist die Verfassung der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Wenn Sie die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit beantragen, müssen Sie schriftlich und mündlich bekennen, dass Sie das Grundgesetz und die Gesetze der Bundesrepublik Deutschland achten und alles unterlassen werden, was ihr schaden könnte. Ihr Bekenntnis wird von der Einbürgerungsbehörde aufgenommen.

 

·         Sie müssen 60 Monate in die Rentenkasse eingezahlt haben.

 

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[alexunterwegs 548]

18 minutes ago, Ashvath said:

Below was a e-mail reply from a Einbürgerungsbehörde, concering the requirement for applying a citizenship after 6 years of residence 

 

·         Sie müssen 60 Monate in die Rentenkasse eingezahlt haben.

 

 

 

Does this apply regardless of the source of income? It suggests that all Einburgerungs candidates would have been employed in Germany or have been paid a German pension. Yet, this would obviously not apply for certain categories e.g. those whose income is from overseas where they would have paid their national insurance contributions. 

I'd be surprised if the current, or possible future requirements, for citizenship were limited in this way. 

[Ashvath 15]

23 hours ago, alexunterwegs said:

 

Does this apply regardless of the source of income? It suggests that all Einburgerungs candidates would have been employed in Germany or have been paid a German pension. Yet, this would obviously not apply for certain categories e.g. those whose income is from overseas where they would have paid their national insurance contributions. 

I'd be surprised if the current, or possible future requirements, for citizenship were limited in this way. 

 

In general, in Staatsangehörigkeit Gesetz , that 60 months contribution for Renten Versicherung is not mandatroy or any where mentioned. It is mandatory requirement only for Niderlassungserlaubnis. But  Blue card holders can get PR after 21/33 months, others after 5 years. May be they are checking this part of Einbürgerung, since there are chances that people get Niederlassungserlaubnis after 21 or 33 months , they might not have contributed for some years due to many reasons due to job loss or travel abroad , so they may be verifiying 60 month contribution is fullfilled.

 

I have heard many cases, that they are rejecting the application if 60 months contribution was not made or they feel that income is less and contribution to renten versicherung is very less, it may not be sufficient for them to be alone after retirement. Since 60 months contribution is mandatory to be eligible for pension, hence they might be checking.

 

Nevertheless, in my case i have alredy contributed for 72 months, hence i am not much worried.

 

[alexunterwegs 548]

31 minutes ago, Ashvath said:

 

In general, in Staatsangehörigkeit Gesetz , that 60 months contribution for Renten Versicherung is not mandatroy or any where mentioned. It is mandatory requirement only for Niderlassungserlaubnis. But  Blue card holders can get PR after 21/33 months, others after 5 years. May be they are checking this part of Einbürgerung, since there are chances that people get Niederlassungserlaubnis after 21 or 33 months , they might not have contributed for some years due to many reasons due to job loss or travel abroad , so they may be verifiying 60 month contribution is fullfilled.

 

I have heard many cases, that they are rejecting the application if 60 months contribution was not made or they feel that income is less and contribution to renten versicherung is very less, it may not be sufficient for them to be alone after retirement. Since 60 months contribution is mandatory to be eligible for pension, hence they might be checking.

 

Nevertheless, in my case i have alredy contributed for 72 months, hence i am not much worried.

 

Surely, what they are concerned about is that they don't grant citizenship to anyone without sufficient means of financing themselves. That would be an automatic burden on the state and also applies to EU nationals.  

However, to tie it to having paid into the Rentenversicherung would rule out a swathe of foreign nationals who have never worked in Germany. Doesn't mean they couldn't support themselves though. As a pensioner, I've never worked here, but as I have a British pension I can support myself. At least, that was deemed adequate by the Auslanderbehorde to grant me my residency status.  So I can't see that the Citizenship rules would diverge in that respect.