Einbürgerung in 7 years

[vaonba 17]

I guess the claim that Bayern and Sachen doesn't count study time is outdated now? https://www.info4alien.de/einbuergerung/themen/rm_aufenthalt.htm

Although it's entirely possible different rules apply in @trysha's case. 

[Ashvath 12]

On 3.12.2020, 22:42:42, trysha said:

Hi, In case anyone is looking for this information just wanted to make clear, that if you live in Munich and have heard about the time you spent as a student counts only as half, please make an initial appointment with the Einbürgerungsamt (Beratungsgespräch) and go have a talk about your particular case. For me the Berater did not even mention anything as such and provided a list of documents required for the process.

 

Now previously I also asked about the month count towards Pension system or the Rentenversicherung. This was also not asked at all. So I would advise go and gind out from the authorities directly, whatever questions that you might have about the process.

 

I am currently a German citizen, and even with Covid-19 everything went rather smoothly eith the authorities at the Einbürgerungsamt.

Hi  trysha, 

For an information, could you please share that your study period was considered fully for 6 years residence ?

From november 2019 post, you mentioned that you have half of the stay as student and but above you said, that students stay period is considered only half ?

Could you please clarify ? 

also 60 months rentenversicherung contribution is not essential for 6 years case ?

 

[trysha 4]

hi,

 

I came to Germany in October 2014, and got my citizenship in November of 2020.

 

I hope this clears things up for you.

 

 

[Ashvath 12]

5 hours ago, trysha said:

hi,

 

I came to Germany in October 2014, and got my citizenship in November of 2020.

 

I hope this clears things up for you.

 

 

On 3.12.2020, 22:42:42, trysha said:

Hi, In case anyone is looking for this information just wanted to make clear, that if you live in Munich and have heard about the time you spent as a student counts only as half, please make an initial appointment with the Einbürgerungsamt (Beratungsgespräch) and go have a talk about your particular case. For me the Berater did not even mention anything as such and provided a list of documents required for the process.

 

Now previously I also asked about the month count towards Pension system or the Rentenversicherung. This was also not asked at all. So I would advise go and gind out from the authorities directly, whatever questions that you might have about the process.

 

I am currently a German citizen, and even with Covid-19 everything went rather smoothly eith the authorities at the Einbürgerungsamt.

Hi  trysha, 

For an information, could you please share that your study period was considered fully for 6 years residence ?

From november 2019 post, you mentioned that you have half of the stay as student and but above you said, that students stay period is considered only half ?

Could you please clarify ? 

also 60 months rentenversicherung contribution is not essential for 6 years case ?

 

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Hi Trysha,

It would be great if you can expand your answer, so that it will be helpful to me and many expats.

If i look at your answer stating that you received Citizenship in Nov 2020 having stayed from Oct 2014 (6 years) , whether the application  Citizenship even before x months before completion of 6 year and in your case how many months before completion of 6 years they accepting the application ?

Also, 60 months renten versicherung contribution was demanded ?

 

 

 

 

[Ashvath 12]

5 hours ago, trysha said:

hi,

 

I came to Germany in October 2014, and got my citizenship in November of 2020.

 

I hope this clears things up for you.

 

 

Hi Trysha,

It would be great if you can expand your answer, so that it will be helpful to me and many expats.

If i look at your answer stating that you received Citizenship in Nov 2020 having stayed from Oct 2014 (6 years) , whether the application  Citizenship even before x months before completion of 6 year and in your case how many months before completion of 6 years they accepting the application ?

Also, 60 months renten versicherung contribution was demanded ?

[vaonba 17]

On 12/3/2020, 10:42:42, trysha said:

Hi, In case anyone is looking for this information just wanted to make clear, that if you live in Munich and have heard about the time you spent as a student counts only as half, please make an initial appointment with the Einbürgerungsamt (Beratungsgespräch) and go have a talk about your particular case. For me the Berater did not even mention anything as such and provided a list of documents required for the process.

 

Now previously I also asked about the month count towards Pension system or the Rentenversicherung. This was also not asked at all. So I would advise go and gind out from the authorities directly, whatever questions that you might have about the process.

 

@Ashvath I think you missed this part. 

[veinar 16]

I am not sure if this is the right topic - but I am planning to apply for the German citizenship next year, provided that the new immigration law(s) get passed (next year is going to be 5 years of my residence in Germany). I already know that your child can apply with your application, but what about your spouse? In my case, she moved in with me (so she will "turn" 5 in Germany at the same time as me), however, she started working about 6 months after me. We have been married for 5 years. 

 

In case she can apply with me - I assume she would also need to have B1 language skills and pass the Einbürgerungstest? 

[pappnase 2,569]

The new law hasn't passed yet so no-one can tell you what will change.

[veinar 16]

3 hours ago, pappnase said:

The new law hasn't passed yet so no-one can tell you what will change.

 

According to the current law - can your spouse apply with you ?

 

PS I mentioned the new law only because of the reduction of 8 yrs to 5 yrs, which I believe is certain thing (in case law gets passed). 

[pappnase 2,569]

Under the current law your spouse can apply with you, and possibly with reduced requirements.

 

You can check the current laws for yourself here https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stag/BJNR005830913.html, English translation here: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stag/englisch_stag.html

 

Note the English translation has no force in law and is for guidance only.

 

You want to look at section 9 and section 10.

 

[veinar 16]

5 hours ago, pappnase said:

Under the current law your spouse can apply with you, and possibly with reduced requirements.

 

You can check the current laws for yourself here https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stag/BJNR005830913.html, English translation here: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stag/englisch_stag.html

 

Note the English translation has no force in law and is for guidance only.

 

You want to look at section 9 and section 10.

 

Thank you very much, section 10 (1) (2) (4) (5) and (6) are exactly what I needed!

 

In particular:

section 9 (2):

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The foreigner’s spouse or registered civil partner and minor children may be naturalised together with the foreigner in accordance with subsection (1), even if they have not yet been lawfully resident in Germany for eight years. 

I read this that my wife will basically have the same requirements as myself, since we started living in Germany on the same day, so the residence reduction is not so relevant.

 

section 9 (6):

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The requirements of subsection (1) sentence 1 nos. 6 and 7 are waived if the foreigner is unable to fulfil them on account of a physical or mental illness or disability or on account of his or her age.

I read this that our 5 months old baby will not need to prove the language skills and pass the Einbürgerungs test but it will still need to show commitment to the Democratic values and other stuff :))

 

[Fietsrad 385]

I was at the Einbuergerungsfeier, a family with two children plus a lovely baby sat nearby. "Who has received citizenship?" I asked. Answer: "all of us!"

 

I think the baby got extra points for not crying while we were singing the Nationalhymne😉

..

It is worth remembering that the law has not been upgraded yet. I would not be at all surprised if it is scuppered by cdu or fdp.

 

Someone was talking about the relationship between coalition parties: "nicht Gegner, sondern Konkurrent" / "our coalitionspartner is not an opponent, but rather a rival"!

[veinar 16]

1 hour ago, Fietsrad said:

It is worth remembering that the law has not been upgraded yet. I would not be at all surprised if it is scuppered by cdu or fdp.

 

Someone was talking about the relationship between coalition parties: "nicht Gegner, sondern Konkurrent" / "our coalitionspartner is not an opponent, but rather a rival"!

 

That's a fair point, and of course we are aware of that. We hope for the best, and will try to pass those exams in the first half of next year, since in May 2023 will be our 5 years of residence. Ideally, the law will be passed before then and we apply right away. It's not a bigge even if it's later in the year, that would give my wife (who is objectively around A2+ at the moment) more time to pass the B1 test.

 

Of course, it would suck if the law doesn't get passed at all - but a complete disaster would be if the Einbürgerungstest and B1 Certificate expire after 2 years (so less than our 8 years of residency). I haven't found any clear info on that, so I hope they don't have "expiry date". In that case, I would probably push for B2 test to at least apply by May 2024, assuming B1 of my wife would be sufficient as a dependent applicant.

[Conservator 11]

I have done it in 6 years with German B2 certificate

[TurMech 180]

On 27.12.2022, 17:14:42, veinar said:

but a complete disaster would be if the Einbürgerungstest and B1 Certificate expire after 2 years (so less than our 8 years of residency). I haven't found any clear info on that, so I hope they don't have "expiry date".

 

They don't expire!

[SpaceOne 7]

Why would someone even want to have german citizenship is beyond me.

Is there any advantage over (only) being a rezident?

[almafreya 60]

30 minutes ago, SpaceOne said:

Why would someone even want to have german citizenship is beyond me.

Is there any advantage over (only) being a rezident?

 

My sister in law is Colombian, resident in Germany and married to a German. She doesn't have the same access to education programs as citizens. She can't work and live freely in any EU country. Her passport isn't as powerful as a German passport (visa free travel to most countries, useful when she wants to visit Colombia via a US airport). She can't vote (something people died for). For her, German citizenship would provide huge benefits.

 

For me, not as much. I have a career so don't need free higher education. I alao have a British passport which is also as powerful as a German passport regarding visa free travel.

[optimista 5,838]

5 hours ago, TurMech said:

They don't expire!

In France my language test was to be valid for two years when I applied for naturalisation. By the time I took the test the goal posts had moved and, unbelievably, it was only valid for two months before they introduced a new test which rendered the old test invalid. My application actually went through in time on the basis of the old test. With a hair s breadth to spare. Phew.

Cross your bridges as and when you come to them.

[pappnase 2,569]

7 hours ago, SpaceOne said:

Is there any advantage over (only) being a rezident?

German citizenship gives me the right to vote and an EU passport gives the right to freedom of movement allowing me to move or work anywhere in the EU.

Both of these were considerations when I applied, but retaining my EU citizenship was more important to me than it being German citizenship.

 

 

[TurMech 180]

23 hours ago, SpaceOne said:

Why would someone even want to have german citizenship is beyond me.

Is there any advantage over (only) being a rezident?

 

You can leave the country permenantly, and still remain an EU citizen and keep your rights. Your kids can choose to live or work in any EU country in the future (if they're naturalized together with you). No residence permit gives you this right. If you leave the country permenantly, you lose all the rights after a short period of time except a few exceptions.

 

21 hours ago, optimista said:

In France my language test was to be valid for two years when I applied for naturalisation.

 

Thanks for sharing the rules in place in France. Currently, language tests don't expire in Germany. Only at the university applications, some universities as for test results, that are not older than 2 years.