Einbürgerung in 7 years

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On 05/06/2018, 20:25:24, Ohng said:

 

It's about 6 months before my 6th year here but I have not taken the appointment in September because I don't have B2 certificate yet and I am not sure that I will get it in time. So, I have to email him again for the appointment and he will give me the next available schedule.

 

I have heard that the waiting time for the appointment is about 6-8 months in Munich but for my case officer (Beamter) is about 3-4 months as of this month.

 

Updated!

 

Mid-March 2019: Handed in the completed application

This week: Approved!

 

I will go and get the certification next week!

 

München KVR

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On 5/26/2019, 6:06:01, Ohng said:

 

Updated!

 

Mid-March 2019: Handed in the completed application

This week: Approved!

 

I will go and get the certification next week!

 

München KVR

Hi @Ohng,

 

I am also living in Munich and am looking to apply for Einbuergerung soon under the six years exception with B2 Certificate (currently working on it). However, I have been discouraged by a lot of people, given that I was a student till end of 2017. People have mentioned to me that this time will count as half , so I still have a long time to wait to fulfill the required six years with B2.

Would you let me know how it went for you? Did you come here already on a work Visa? 

 

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2 hours ago, trysha said:

... However, I have been discouraged by a lot of people, given that I was a student till end of 2017. People have mentioned to me that this time will count as half , so I still have a long time to wait to fulfill the required six years with B2.


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Yes, any time spent while studying in Germany will only count as half.

 

There are other threads on here where it is stated.

 

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On 11/14/2019, 9:52:55, trysha said:

Hi @Ohng,

 

I am also living in Munich and am looking to apply for Einbuergerung soon under the six years exception with B2 Certificate (currently working on it). However, I have been discouraged by a lot of people, given that I was a student till end of 2017. People have mentioned to me that this time will count as half , so I still have a long time to wait to fulfill the required six years with B2.

Would you let me know how it went for you? Did you come here already on a work Visa? 

 

 

Everything went well and fast. If you live in Munich, you should make an online appointment for Beratungsgespräch at https://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Kreisverwaltungsreferat/Staatsangehoerigkeit--Einbuergerung/Einbuergerungsstelle.html

 

I went there for Beratungsgespräch at about 5 1/2 years of my time here in Germany and handed application about 5 years and 10 months and get approved about 1.5 months after 6 years!

 

On 11/14/2019, 11:56:13, dj_jay_smith said:

 

Yes, any time spent while studying in Germany will only count as half.

 

There are other threads on here where it is stated.

 

 

It does, see "§ 10 Abs. 1" at the decision of the supreme court 10 Abs.  https://www.bverwg.de/260416U1C9.15.0

 

And also here at  http://www.landesanwaltschaft.bayern.de/media/themenbereiche/auslaender_und_staatsangehoerige/2016_04_26_we_staatsangehoerigkeitsrecht.pdf


 

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Wichtige neue Entscheidung

Staatsangehörigkeitsrecht: Rechtmäßig gewöhnlicher Aufenthalt bei Aufenthaltserlaubnis zu Ausbildungszwecken

§ 4 Abs. 3 Satz 1, § 10 Abs. 1, § 12b Abs. 3 StAG, §§ 7, 8, 9, 9a, 16, 17, 18, 81 AufenthG, § 30 Abs. 3 Satz 2 SGB I, § 28, § 85, § 89 Abs. 3 AuslG 1990

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Ohng said:

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It does, see "§ 10 Abs. 1" at the decision of the supreme court 10 Abs.  https://www.bverwg.de/260416U1C9.15.0

 

I don't see any relevance between this court case and the OP having spent time in Germany as a student!

 

This case is about a person getting German citizenship based on the status of their parents, not a person who came to Germany to study and applies for citzizenship.  

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5 minutes ago, dj_jay_smith said:

 

I don't see any relevance between this court case and the OP having spent time in Germany as a student!

 

This case is about a person getting German citizenship based on the status of their parents, not a person who came to Germany to study and applies for citzizenship.  

 

Exactly!!! The supreme court was asked question about "the time during study (Aufenthaltserlaubnis zu Ausbildungs- bzw. Studienzwecken, § 16, 17 AufenthG) whether this is the " § 4 Abs. 3 Satz 1 StAG"

https://www.buzer.de/gesetz/4560/a63190.htm 

 

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(3) 1Durch die Geburt im Inland erwirbt ein Kind ausländischer Eltern die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit, wenn ein Elternteil

 

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seit acht Jahren rechtmäßig seinen gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt im Inland hat und

 

 

It's also valid for  "§ 10 Abs. 1 StAG"   https://www.buzer.de/gesetz/4560/a63196.htm

 

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(1) 1Ein Ausländer, der seit acht Jahren rechtmäßig seinen gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt im Inland hat und handlungsfähig nach § 37 Absatz 1 Satz 1 oder gesetzlich vertreten ist, ist auf Antrag einzubürgern, wenn seine Identität und Staatsangehörigkeit geklärt sind und er

 

 

 

 
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Zwischen den Beteiligten steht außer Streit, dass die Klägerin im Inland geboren wurde, von ausländischen Eltern abstammt und als Anknüpfungspunkt für den Erwerb der deutschen Staatsangehörigkeit nur die Aufenthaltsposition ihres Vaters in Betracht kommt. Dieser lebt seit 1999 in Deutschland. Zum Zeitpunkt der Geburt der Klägerin war er im Besitz einer Niederlassungserlaubnis und damit eines unbefristeten Aufenthaltsrechts (§ 4 Abs. 3 Satz 1 Nr. 2 StAG). Zutreffend ist das Berufungsgericht davon ausgegangen, dass er seinerzeit auch seit acht Jahren rechtmäßig seinen gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt im Inland hatte (§ 4 Abs. 3 Satz 1 Nr. 1 StAG).

On 11/15/2019, 12:35:21, Ohng said:

 

Everything went well and fast. If you live in Munich, you should make an online appointment for Beratungsgespräch at https://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Kreisverwaltungsreferat/Staatsangehoerigkeit--Einbuergerung/Einbuergerungsstelle.html

 

I went there for Beratungsgespräch at about 5 1/2 years of my time here in Germany and handed application about 5 years and 10 months and get approved about 1.5 months after 6 years!

 

Hey @Ohng,

Thanks so much for your reply and the additional links. I somehow did not receive a notification of your reply.
I will make a Beratungsgespräch as soon as possible :)

 

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On 11/14/2019, 11:56:13, dj_jay_smith said:

Yes, any time spent while studying in Germany will only count as half.

 


Isn't that only for the permanent residence? Isn't the problem with citizenship application that Bavaria and Sachen don't consider study time? But in other states, the whole study time counts toward the requirement for a citizenship application. That's my impression anyways from this forum and info4alien.

 

edit: https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/375428-how-to-find-the-integration-course-that-helps-in-citizenship/?do=findComment&comment=3634196

 

I'd guess another problem is how many months of pension contribution that particular ABH wants. It seems some are very flexible, but others want at least 5 years/60 months of pension contribution. Again just from reading the forums.

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4 hours ago, vaonba said:


Isn't that only for the permanent residence? Isn't the problem with citizenship application that Bavaria and Sachen don't consider study time? But in other states, the whole study time counts toward the requirement for a citizenship application. That's my impression anyways from this forum and info4alien.

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I have read something on Frag-einen-Anwalt where this was stated, but I can't find the link now and I am not an expert.  Maybe this does vary by state, but the person to whom I was responding was in Bavaria where this is applied.

 

4 hours ago, vaonba said:

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I'd guess another problem is how many months of pension contribution that particular ABH wants. It seems some are very flexible, but others want at least 5 years/60 months of pension contribution. Again just from reading the forums.

 

 

I believe that if you are self-employed then you can get away with less than 60 months so long as you are currently actively participating in a pension plan of some kind.  But again, I'm not an expert and I believe I have read that on here?

 

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On 11/15/2019, 12:35:21, Ohng said:

Everything went well and fast. If you live in Munich, you should make an online appointment for Beratungsgespräch at https://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Kreisverwaltungsreferat/Staatsangehoerigkeit--Einbuergerung/Einbuergerungsstelle.html

 

I went there for Beratungsgespräch at about 5 1/2 years of my time here in Germany and handed application about 5 years and 10 months and get approved about 1.5 months after 6 years!

 

hi again @Ohng

 

I recently went there for the Beratungsgespräch, and he also gave me a case number and told me to collect all the documents. I am however wondering if number of months zou paid the rentenversicherung is important? Did your berater say anything about this?

I have worked now for 2 years full time since graduation and I also did some student jobs. So in total I have around 38 months of Rentenversicherung paid. How much was yours?

 

I have to sit for the B2 exam, as well as do the Einbuergerung test. But just in case I wanted to make sure my documents are going to be fine. 

Any info on this  regard is much appreciated.

Thanks

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Hi,

My post is regarding the loss of job after submission of the Einbürgerung application (7 years residence). Are there immigration lawyers/consultants on Toytown Germany?

 

I'm about to submit my Einbürgerung application in a couple of weeks, but it could be that I may be affected by a mass lay-off at work. If I'm on the list, I may have to choose between a voluntary resignation with a package or face termination. If I'm terminated, it will be for operational reasons, and not for behavior/discipline. Will this reason (betriebsbedingte kündigung) be accepted by the Einbürgerung authority as per the below text, and continue the processing of the application? Or would they hold the processing until I get a new job and pass the probation period?

 

Lebensunterhaltsunterhaltssicherung (auch für unterhaltsberechtigte Familienangehörige) ohne Sozialhilfe und Arbeitslosengeld II („Hartz IV“)
Von dieser Regelung gibt es jedoch Ausnahmen, und zwar wenn der Antragsteller bzw. die Antragstellerin den Bezug von Sozialhilfe oder Arbeitslosengeld II bzw. Sozialgeld nicht selbst zu vertreten hat. Das ist zum Beispiel der Fall:

bei Arbeitslosigkeit durch eine betriebsbedingte Kündigung, wenn das intensive Bemühen um eine neue Arbeitsstelle nachgewiesen wird,

Source: https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/suche/die-anspruchseinbuergerung-456774

 

If I'm terminated, there is a possibility to move into Transfergesselschaft, and I will be paid a salary for 6 months. Will this be accepted by the authority as 'sufficient means for livelihood'? Further, my wife is working, so no trouble with "means for livelihood". But I'm the main applicant, while she is a dependent applicant (<5 years in Germany). Will her income be accepted by the authority?

 

If there are TT members that have direct experience in this kind of situation or can direct me to the experts, it will be great. 

 

Thank you in advance. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, PurplePassion said:

If I'm on the list, I may have to choose between a voluntary resignation with a package or face termination.

It may be worth talking to HR about the consequences a termination would have on your residence and ask them to delay it for a few months. Worked for me when the branch of a multinational I was working for was closed due to a company merger and I needed 2 more months to qualify for my specialist certification. You may want to offer to waiving some of your resignation package in exchange.

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On 11/9/2020, 11:22:56, jeba said:

It may be worth talking to HR about the consequences a termination would have on your residence and ask them to delay it for a few months. Worked for me when the branch of a multinational I was working for was closed due to a company merger and I needed 2 more months to qualify for my specialist certification. You may want to offer to waiving some of your resignation package in exchange.

Thanks, Jeba. I'm trying exactly the same, but unsure if it will work. I still have not submitted my Einbürgerung application, and I don't know how long HR could delay the termination. (Checking T&C). If I lose my job half-way through the Einbürgerung process, will my application be on hold until I get a new job? 

I'm trying to weigh the safer option - extend the resignation by a few months (or) face the termination. If I'm terminated due to operational reasons, I assume my application won't be paused. Or am I wrong?

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4 hours ago, PurplePassion said:

If I lose my job half-way through the Einbürgerung process, will my application be on hold until I get a new job?

 

Possibly. The only way you will know for sure is by speaking with your case worker at your Ausländerbehörde. 

 

4 hours ago, PurplePassion said:

If I'm terminated due to operational reasons, I assume my application won't be paused. Or am I wrong?

 

Again, the only way you will know for sure is by speaking with your case worker at your Ausländerbehörde. If all signs point to a quick turnaround at a new job, that you are actively looking while possibly receiving ALG 1 (which is not Harz IV), have money in the bank, employed wife, etc. etc. then as per what you posted, I would venture a guess that you will be fine.

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