Brexit: The fallout

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If b***t leads to much less trade, less transport, less use of energy and resources it may indeed be a good thing, nobody knows.

 

I do hope so, although I was a remoaner.

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10 minutes ago, Fietsrad said:

If b***t leads to much less trade, less transport, less use of energy and resources it may indeed be a good thing, nobody knows.

 

I do hope so, although I was a remoaner.

None of those were on the list of brexit bonuses we were told would come, but at this stage I think people will take any benefit, regardless of how small or unintentional, as a win.

 To have less transport we'd certainly have to have less trade. Given we are going after trade with Canada, NZ etc, I don' think that's going to happen.

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Brexit minister set to renegotiate Northern Ireland Protocol proposing legal 'standstill'

 

 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/david-frost-northern-ireland-protocol-brexit-eu-deal-082910797.html

 

 

 

Find this very difficult to believe, the EU has already told Frost and the UK to Fuckoff and start to implement the agreed deal or they will see them in court. When will the EU finally get the message ??? and actually take the UK to court ???

 

 

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The EU is patient. It can turn the thumbscrews slowly and deliberately. It rarely acts rashly because it can't because of the way it works.

 

The EU will patiently exhaust the legal remedies and ultimately will impose sanctions on the UK by revoking parts of the TCA.

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Maybe things will not quite end up getting that far @murphaph - I think there are some in the Conservative party and some in the voting base, who would not be adverse to a unified Ireland if it allowed them to really diverge mainland Britain.

 

A lot of Conservative members and voters (South of the border) aren't really interested in The Union at all, in the sense that when polled a sizable amount would accept the break up of The Union as an acceptable price of Brexit. There is also a sizable number who would like to see the devolved parliaments disbanded and everything centralised under a (Conservative) Westminster Government - the sight of Nicola Sturgeon setting bespoke Scottish CoViD restrictions separate from then-Health Secretary Matt Hancock really stirred up anti-devolution feelings amount some Tory voters. 

 

So Westminster can have an almost phony-war with the EU over the NIP, enough of the people say "screw this lets have a ballet to take control of this ourselves!" and that's it. Of course, what ministers seem totally oblivious to, is the real threat of violence. It's always something that is played down, or spun in to anti-EU sentiment. 

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Supermarkets struggle to stock shelves as ‘pingdemic’ havoc spreads

 

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Supermarkets are under “increasing pressure” to keep shelves fully stocked, retail industry leaders have warned as the growing havoc wreaked by the “pingdemic” continues to force thousands of workers to self-isolate.

With shops in some areas suffering shortages, and firms in sectors from petrol stations to the postal service affected by absences, the government is being urged to include supermarket staff, lorry drivers and other frontline workers on a list of those exempted from self-isolation rules.

 

 

Looks like someone didn't think their cunning plan all the way through. Imagine that.

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Johnson thought it would be sensible for him to visit the Queen at a time when it couldn't be excluded that he had contracted the virus. She was 93 at the time. This is the man that is running that country. People elected this moron. Bizarre.

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21 hours ago, yesterday said:

Brexit minister set to renegotiate Northern Ireland Protocol proposing legal 'standstill'

 

 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/david-frost-northern-ireland-protocol-brexit-eu-deal-082910797.html

 

 

 

Find this very difficult to believe, the EU has already told Frost and the UK to Fuckoff and start to implement the agreed deal or they will see them in court. When will the EU finally get the message ??? and actually take the UK to court ???

 

 

The only long-term solution to the problem caused by Brexit for trade into Northern Ireland is either;

a) Ireland exits the EU. or

B)the UK re-negotiates membership of the Single Market and/or Customs Union, similar to Norway or Switzerland's position. 

 

Ireland is not going to exit the EU. Anti-EU sentiment is way under 50% of the population and anyway, why should they solve the problem caused in Britain. 

 

So the only viable solution is for the UK to re-join the SM and/or CU.  That would not be contrary to the Referendum vote, which was only about membership of the EU. Fundamentally it would remove a swathe of bureaucracy and redtape needed to cross a 'border' between the 2 markets, so the debate about should the border be a land one or in the Irish Sea, becomes largely irrelevant.  

The EU would have to be willing to re-negotiate, and whilst I can see them grinding their teeth at the prospect, it would fundamentally be in theirs and everyone's interests. 

 

  

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Isn't this the second solution to the situation in NI that the conservatives have designed, agreed to and wanted to walk away from?

 Stupid is as stupid does and the conservatives have been stupid doing for over 5 years now.

 

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36 minutes ago, alexunterwegs said:

So the only viable solution is for the UK to re-join the SM and/or CU.

 

Never gonna happen. Brexit has proven to be such a clusterfuck that all they have is "taking back control" (and blue passports (made in France)) - they'll hold their breath until they're blue in the face before they surrender to the evil EU bureaucracy.

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On 7/20/2021, 3:56:58, Mackle said:

@MUinEU yes, but it's not an insignificant amount of people - Johnson's support in the polls is increasing, if anything more people are behaving like this instead of getting fed up with what is going on.

After the recent comments from Cummings you have to ask how much useless insurance these people have and how they're rich friend in Nigeria is doing smuggling his money out of the country. 

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On 7/21/2021, 12:19:12, White Rose of Yorkshire said:

 

When somebody posts something positive here it always gets negative comments, hence the use of the word remoaner. Well I am going to be very brave and post something positive.

 

 

Frau Hoffmeister-Kraut had a meeting today with the  British Generalkonsul Simon Kendall. In spite of brexit and all the doom and gloom posts here,the state of Baden-Württemberg is very interested in a good  working relationship with the UK and new deals were signed.

 

„Große Einigkeit bestand darin, dass das Vereinigte Königreich auch in Zukunft ein wichtiger Handelspartner für die baden-württembergische Wirtschaft bleiben werde. Eine zentrale Plattform hierfür sei die Partnerschaftsinitiative Baden-Württemberg – United Kingdom, welche die Wirtschaftsministerin gemeinsam mit dem britischen Generalkonsul Simon Kendall sowie dem britischen Handelsministerium im Februar 2020 ins Leben gerufen hat. „Es ist wichtig, dass wir gerade jetzt die Zusammenarbeit zwischen Wirtschaft, Politik und Intermediären weiter intensivieren. Durch gezielte Kooperation im Innovationsbereich bis hin zur konkreten Anbahnung von Unternehmenskooperationen arbeiten wir im Rahmen der Partnerschaft erfolgreich daran, unsere Stärken zu bündeln und gewinnbringende Projekte für unsere Wirtschaft auf die Beine zu stellen“, so Hoffmeister-Kraut weiter.“

 

 

 

 

Spannende neue Themen für zukünftige Projekte

 

Im Rahmen der Partnerschaftsinitiative haben wir bereits spannende neue Themen für zukünftige Projekte zwischen baden-württembergischen und britischen Unternehmen auf den Weg gebracht, wie im Bereich der Kreativwirtschaft, Automobilbranche und dem Gesundheitswesen. Die Initiative bietet den idealen Rahmen, um die engen wirtschaftlichen Beziehungen unserer beiden Länder in den nächsten Jahren weiter voranzubringen und fit für die Zukunft zu machen“, so Kendall weiter.“

 

 

 

Das Königreich nimmt derzeit den siebten Platz in der Exportbilanz ein.

 

https://www.baden-wuerttemberg.de/de/service/presse/pressemitteilung/pid/partnerschaft-mit-dem-vereinigten-koenigreich-weiter-staerken/?&pk_medium=newsletter&pk_campaign=210720_newsletter_daily&pk_source=newsletter_daily&pk_keyword=au%C3%9Fenwirtschaft

 

 

 

 

 

Depends on what is posted. 

If someone posts something positive, that post is critically addressed and no insults are thrown, that's talking. 

 

What I've seen is usually that any comments on anything positive that are not "great" attract the word remoaner. 

 

If Brexit was going to plan, it'd be done by now and we'd all be reaping the benefits 

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2 hours ago, El Jeffo said:

 

Never gonna happen. Brexit has proven to be such a clusterfuck that all they have is "taking back control" (and blue passports (made in France)) - they'll hold their breath until they're blue in the face before they surrender to the evil EU bureaucracy.

That's now. But wait until the problems, especially for British businesses,  start to sink in.  When these new trade deals elsewhere don't quite add up to the benefits of EU trade. I'm not saying the current diehard wackos in Downing Street will change, but they're not going to be there forever. 

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On 7/20/2021, 9:57:40, Techsmex said:

jeez loueez, enough with Brexit, can we just move on?   yawwwnnn, gettin sleepy .  [mods, please close this topic!]

 

meanwhile, the Jan 6 insur'erectioners' and sore losing flaccid trumpers wish the world would just 'move on'.  but that's another exciting topic.  (not a member of that trumpcocksucking team, I should clarify)

So, ignore the the topic, simps...

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Silver lining? Maybe freight will eventually get off the roads and onto rail? Maybe if it is such hard work for such little reward there will be a tendency to import only essential goods rather than poor quality (Chinese) crap (via Europe) whose immediate destination is landfill. Time will tell.

 

Maybe UK will go back to making its own essential goods and become less reliant on imports. Maybe.

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3 hours ago, optimista said:

Silver lining? Maybe freight will eventually get off the roads and onto rail?

Unfortunately, since the railways are now a privately owned mess, that is not a realistic solution

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