Brexit: The fallout

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EU parliament shelves vote on Brexit deal after Boris Johnson ‘violates’ agreement

 

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The EU has shelved plans to approve Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal after Brussels accused the UK of violating the agreement.

The trade deal between the UK and EU has been in provisional force for two months but needs to pass a vote in the European parliament to become permanent.

 

Leaders of the legislature’s political groups intended to agree a date for the final vote at a meeting on Thursday, but instead agreed to hold off after the latest move by the UK.

 

On Wednesday, Boris Johnson’s government said it would unilaterally change parts of the agreement to better suit UK businesses in Northern Ireland.

 

“The conference of presidents this morning decided not to agree a date to ratify the TCA [Trade and Cooperation Agreement], pending developments yesterday," one EU source told The Independent.

 

“The European parliament leaders want to see where this is going.”

 

Following the meeting, senior German socialist MEP Bernd Lange tweeted: “Still valid: ‘Should the UK authorities breach – or threaten to breach – the withdrawal agreement, through the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill... or in any other way, the European parliament will, under no circumstances, ratify any agreement between the EU and the UK’”.

 

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"Boris Johnson’s government said it would unilaterally change parts of the agreement to better suit UK businesses in Northern Ireland."

 

Is the end of the sentence missing, perhaps? I can't be arsed to unpick that article from The Independent (spot the irony, folks) because the journalism is an inflamatory disgrace. Reading beyond the word "violates" - present tense - should signal that our reading any further is a waste of time. Should you continue, read all the words very carefully.

 

I am not defending BJ or his government. I am sick of the British press.

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I don't know why you think that's inflammatory. They are violating the agreement; they're proud of violating the agreement - it's what their supporters want to hear.

 

The Guardian reports a statement from the MEP in charge (whose name I've forgotten and can't type anyway) saying they'll be starting legal action soon. Though it's a bit hard to imagine Boris and co. caring very much.

 

Edit: Maroš Šefčovič (yes I had to copy and paste). He's Vice-president of the commission and not an MEP.

 

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I like the videos of this guy from the working class.

More intelligent that the guys from the public schools.

 

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I applied for citizenship because I didn't trust the conservative government to make a success of this.

So far I've been proven right again, again and again. 

 

Would be interesting to hear from anyone who didn't apply for citizenship as they thought all would go great, how things went, what they status is now and if they are ok with their decision.

 

If the UK enters in to and breaks agreements then there are a few reasons.

We have an incompetent government.

Said government is focused on keeping another group happy and are willing to erode any trust other countries will have in us.

Said government really don't think it's important as they see the UK as just being so attractive a partner, they can do what they want and other countries won't care.

 

I'll stop the list there, my guess is that it's all of the above.

They are treading water to see what happens with the US on all this and they are willing to kick others while doing do. 

 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, cb6dba said:

I applied for citizenship because I didn't trust the conservative government to make a success of this.

So far I've been proven right again, again and again. 

 

Would be interesting to hear from anyone who didn't apply for citizenship as they thought all would go great, how things went, what they status is now and if they are ok with their decision.

 

 

 

I tried to apply for citizenship, but had a problem so did not bother with it. Since  was not sure that there would be an agreement I got my A1 German (was all that was available in the timeframe) as that is classed basic German which is enough for permanent residence, and did the living in DE test which was a probable requirement. As it turns out neither were needed, but at least I had them if it had all gone to pot

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I'm Irish so in theory not affected by Brexit but in 2016 that wasn't guaranteed. Ireland could have decided that it was too close economically to the UK to not Irexit. I felt this unlikely but not impossible so I began the process of getting citizenship and even though I am now much more confident of Ireland's place in the EU, I don't regret getting citizenship for a moment. It gives one great peace of mind and allows one to finally vote in Bundestag elections. No matter what happens at the EU level, my position in this country is now rock solid.

 

If I was British I probably would have started the process as soon as the referendum was announced lol!

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Yup, kid#1 started it literally immediately. She flew back from Oxford the night of the referendum. Almost the next day she was at the Bürgeramt starting the great journey of paper, which in her case took over a year.

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Its so obvious that Boris' strategy all along was 'Get Brexit Done' (with large bulldozer for special effect) and worry about the detail later.  Now we've got to the detail. Boris is all about bluff your may past the next newspaper headline and don't worry about what happens after. 

 

The appointment of Frost as Brexit Minister looks to be a complete disaster.  The bloke seems to enjoy rubbing everyone in Europe up the wrong way. I imagine he's the sort of bloke who walks into a social gathering and everybody starts shuffling away to the next table.  The trouble is, he can probably live with any big time fall out with the EU. It will be British businesses and us as British nationals, who will suffer the most. And the people in Northern Ireland, although some of them have only themselves to blame for the situation that has arisen there.  If the EU Parliament do refuse to ratify the treaty, just hope it doesn't have implications for Citizens Rights which are contained in the Withdrawal Agreement, though that would be spreading the misery very widely.      

 

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If I were involved in any policy type stuff in brussels, I would be taking the opportunity to get as close the Biden administration as possible.

Same with Canada etc, Something long term that would sick through the next presidential terms. Even if just to make the UK press have a fit. It would also cause more pressure on the conservatives  and generally just be hilarious.

 

 

 

*disclaimer - I am not anti-British. I am anti Tory, Johnson and the whole shit show of Brexit.

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The Irish government has reached out to the bipartisan friends of Ireland group in Congress over the UK's unilateral breaking of the protocol.

 

Shipping meats and plants to NI that are forbidden to send into the EU puts Ireland in a really difficult position.

 

It squeezes Ireland between its commitments to the other members of the single market and its commitments to the Irish nationalist community in Northern Ireland.

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US Representative Brendan Boyle:

 

"This is now the 2nd time in the last several months that this UK govt has signed up to an intl. agreement and then immediately decided to go back on what it agreed to - that has ramifications not just regarding N Ireland"

 

Boyle is on the House ways and means committee, which has responsibility for trade agreements made by the United States.

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Well, they don't mind lying to their constituents;  why would any trade partner believe they won't lie on a trade agreement? 

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Eventually your reputation is indeed worthless. The UK sees the EU as a joke, to mess about as it sees fit.

 

Unfortunately for the UK the rest of the world is actually quite envious of what we have built up in Europe over decades. They see the EU as a standard setting global leader. Even though it isn't, people from outside think it's like a united states of Europe.

 

They will start thinking to themselves "hmmm if the UK is prepared to mess that behemoth about, what will they do with our agreement?"

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A problem is though, is that for Brexit supporters and large sections of the media, the whole article 16 incident at the end of January vindicates and makes such moves seem fair to them.

 

I think Guy Verhofstadt warned at the time that the decision to trigger (and subsequently reverse) article 16 could have implications further down the line. If you look at some of the Daily Mail readers comments on articles about the UK's recent decision, you'll see that the milder mannered ones (not the warmongering ones) are putting things to the effect of "well the EU did it first, so fair is fair it means we can do it too".

 

Having Frost appointed in to his aggravative ministerial role and the resulting souring of relations with the EU, all helps with this siege mentality that helped Johnson crush labour in the last elections. The Cummings "Parliament vs The People" blueprint now becomes "The UK vs. an EU that wants to punish us for daring to being sovereign and independent".  We've seen how populism has played out in Poland, in Hungary, Turkey, and the UK's voting system means that unless the Scots suddenly reverted back to voting for Labour, the Conservative government will get in once more. 

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Yes the Commission's misstep played perfectly into the hands of Brexiteers. The fact the commission rowed back within hours (after Dublin made its displeasure known) makes not one iota of difference to them, nor does the fact Johnson had threatened the same thing himself in the HoC prior to this, nor does the fact the IN Bill also set out to break the protocol and with it international law as admitted also in the HoC by the SoS for NI. "But the Commission" they cry!!

 

I believe it's intentional. Brexit is not working out. If the island of Ireland was united either as an independent Republic or even still as part of the UK, then brexit would have been far more clear cut. There would have been no need to cooperate. A simple FTA would have been agreed and the damage to the UK economy would have been difficult to blame on the EU. It would have been entirely transactional in nature. No fudging. The fact the EU and UK must engage with each other politically over NI gives the Brexiteers more of their daily bread: EU friction to sell to the gullible masses as an us v them type of thing.

 

The Brexiteers don't want the NI protocol to work. That's really sinister.

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