Brexit: The fallout

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Looks like you two are wrong again. 

 

On 2/7/2021, 9:43:10, Wulfrun said:

 

On 2/7/2021, 9:47:52, murphaph said:

Cue "Covid something something" excuse.

 

The stinking pile of dogshit of a deal keeps releasing its noxious odour as we get further into the year. The "teething troubles" excuses can only fool the people for so long.

 

You know all that stockpiling that happened before Christmas? The stockpiling you were ranting and raving about? 

 

Exactly!

 

TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW SMOOTHLY THROUGH THE PORT OF DOVER POST-BREXIT TRANSITION  (Port of Dover press release, 08.02.21)

 

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A month on since the end of the Brexit transition period, the Port of Dover is pleased to already be welcoming over 90% of the freight traffic volumes typical of this time of year following the significant stockpiling experienced before Christmas.


This demonstrates that the Short Straits continues to provide the most resilient and preferred route to and from Europe.

 

After years of preparation with partner organisations in the UK and in France to ensure trade continues to flow smoothly, border systems are operating efficiently and customers are quickly getting on their way.

 

Sarah West, Chief Operations Officer at the Port of Dover said:

 

“I’m really encouraged to see such a positive start to the New Year as we adapt to the new systems and processes involved in a new, post-Brexit transition era.

 

Our operation has proved its resilience and flexibility in the past by successfully adjusting to many major changes in our external landscape and I have great confidence that it will continue to do the same.

 

The message to hauliers is that as long as you come to Kent border ready and with a negative COVID test, then it won’t be long before you are on your way to France on the shortest ferry crossing.

 

My thanks go to our team here at the Port, our partners and customers for ensuring that together, we are prepared.”

 

ENDS

 

 

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On 2/7/2021, 11:02:38, El Jeffo said:

If only there were some kind of agreement that would prevent that from happening, eh? Something about a single market with common agricultural controls?

 

Nah, that's just crazy talk...

 

All that money spent on your education and you still aren't able to grasp the terms and conditions for being in the single market. 

 

Are you suggesting the UK  cherry picks the EU and sign up to the parts it likes? 

 

Why don't you find out about what you are talking about instead of making yourself look like an ill informed American. 

 

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On 2/7/2021, 6:48:48, El Jeffo said:

I prefer the modern version: "A racist, a rapist, and a conman walk into a bar. The bartender asks, 'What'll it be, Mr. President?'"

 

The President being Joe Biden, lol! 

 

:lol:

 

On 2/8/2021, 12:41:21, murphaph said:

Nothing would surprise me anymore. Death penalty is popular among leavers too.

 

Terrorism is popular among the Irish, too. 

 

On 2/8/2021, 6:01:00, cb6dba said:

It amazes me that after 4 years he benefits of brexit are just around the corner, still.

 

4 years? 

 

Do you realise when Brexit happened? 

 

Rhetorical question, please don't answer. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, cb6dba said:

We are indeed living in interesting times...

Indeed we are. Indeed we are.

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7 hours ago, cb6dba said:

We are indeed living in interesting times...

At least Cherbourg is doing well...

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/weltwirtschaft/cherbourg-brexit-gewinner-101.html

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On 2/8/2021, 4:54:46, alexunterwegs said:

The fundamental point is that the EU are our neighbours whilst this CPTPP outfit is about as far away as you can get. Strategic thinking?? 

 

And the UK is still trading with the EU. They are now, however, footloose and fancy free. Can you please explain your thoughts on the stagnated growth in the EU and its declining share of world trade and the rapidly increasing markets in the CPTPP trade area. 

 

Why you are keen on the UK being wedded to the EU and paying for it, too, is beyond me. 

 

On 2/8/2021, 4:54:46, alexunterwegs said:

Do you travel to your local supermarket or use one 50 kilometres on the opposite side of the city? Or would that be strategic thinking?

 

You haven't got a clue about what you are talking about, Alex. 

 

On 2/8/2021, 4:54:46, alexunterwegs said:

 I haven't bothered reading Liz Truss article.   I'm sure its full of the same sort of drivel other over-promoted party hacks used to sell Brexit to a gullible public. 

 

Kudos to you, mate. 

 

Remain uninformed. 

 

On 2/8/2021, 4:54:46, alexunterwegs said:

And by the way, when do we get a Referendum on joining this CPTPP?  Did I miss it?  Or is this something Boris and his pals have decided on our behalf, like he did on coming out of the Single Market and Customs Union. 

 

Pfffft! 

You would like to have a vote on joining the CPTPP cos it's the same as the EU, I suppose? 

 

Hahahahahahahahaha!  

 

Brilliant, Alex, absolutely jenius thinking, mate! 

 

😂

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, murphaph said:

At least Cherbourg is doing well...

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/weltwirtschaft/cherbourg-brexit-gewinner-101.html

 

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Unsere zwei Fähren fahren seit Januar einmal täglich von Irland nach Cherbourg und zurück. Wir haben damit doppelt so viele Fährfahrten als zuvor", sagt Ole Bockmann, Direktor von Irish Ferry France. Vor dem Brexit sind 150.000 Lkw im Jahr die Strecke über England gefahren: zweimal Fähre, eine Lkw-Fahrt quer über die Insel, aber nur elf Stunden insgesamt.

 

Längere Fahrt, aber weniger Papierkram

 

Seit Großbritannien aus der EU ausgetreten ist und nicht mehr zum europäischen Binnenmarkt gehört, sind viele umgeschwenkt - auch wenn der direkte Seeweg mit 17 bis 18 Stunden von der Fahrtzeit her eigentlich deutlich länger ist. Und Corona kommt auch noch dazu. "Viele Spediteure ziehen den direkten Weg zwischen Irland und Frankreich vor, damit die Tests für die Fahrer wegfallen. Das Risiko ist für die Fahrer geringer, wenn sie nicht über England fahren, wo die britische Variante grassiert", so Bockmann.

 

Haha, two ferries a day that take even longer versus Dover? 

 

Grasping at straws, Murphy! 

 

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The Port of Dover handles up to £122bn or 17% of the UK’s trade in goods. Its unique geographical position enables Dover to facilitate up to 120 ferry movements a day, handling up to 110 miles of lorries per day between them – more than all other UK ports combined.

 

There are temporary problems at the border which will be resolved, then it will be business as usual. The land bridge is quicker and, therefore, cheaper. 

 

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In Cherbourg will man sich nicht zu früh freuen. Auch andere französische Häfen wie Roscoff, Dunkerque und Saint Malo bauen ihre Aktivitäten in Richtung Irland aus. Und: "Sobald die Zollformalitäten besser laufen und nicht mehr so viel Zeit in Anspruch nehmen, werden viele Speditionen wieder über England fahren. Das ist nun mal der kürzere Weg", so Ole Bockmann von Irish Ferry France.

 

Or did you not read that far, Murphy? 

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1 hour ago, murphaph said:

At least Cherbourg is doing well...

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/weltwirtschaft/cherbourg-brexit-gewinner-101.html

I guess when they were talking about winning, they were not being as specific as people thought. They thought British companies would be winning, seems it was a far more broad and wide ranging 'winning' effect.

 

I suspect at some point someone will dig up a British company that is doing some winning, just really better not take that in the context of the whole thing. 

As I've said before, there is a drive to sell what is happening, anything that is happening, as better than nothing, when it's all really much worse that we had before all this started. 

That goes way back to the very beginning, no deal is better than a bad deal (a phrase that hasn't aged well) when in realty, anything was going to be worse than actually being in the EU. The rest is just re-framing to hide how badly the last 4 years have gone and just how wrong our government misjudged (or worst case, barefaced lied about) the UK position. 

Now it's just people trying to make themselves feel better, twisting and contorting around anything to make the situation seem positive.

 

Spiderpig posted a good few days ago asking for definite demonstrable positives, so far only RF answered. The answer wasn't something that could be put in the demonstrable category, but it was at least a stab that maybe one day could happen. I don't think it will, I don't think we will ever get our manufacturing back as there will always be somewhere that can do it cheaper and people will get annoyed if prices go up as we are expected to pay UK workers a decent wage. Or people get annoyed at not getting a decent wage.

Cheap clothes are goods hide how badly people are doing in comparison to others, I expect those goods will have to come in from abroad to keep them cheap.

 

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6 hours ago, cb6dba said:

 

Spiderpig posted a good few days ago asking for definite demonstrable positives, so far only RF answered.

 

If a tree falls in the forest but the tree is on ignore, does it make a sound?    🤡

 

It is not a positive, but all citizens of EU countries should be concerned about the CAI.   The UK was able to avoid participating in what seems to be an agreement driven by side deals for the bigger players (Germany and France) at the expense of the smaller countries.     

 

https://thediplomat.com/2021/01/the-pitfalls-of-the-china-eu-comprehensive-agreement-on-investment/

 

 

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9 hours ago, murphaph said:

At least Cherbourg is doing well...

https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/weltwirtschaft/cherbourg-brexit-gewinner-101.html

 

I've actually sailed on a yacht into Cherbourg. Quite a nice little harbour. I was surprised when skipper said Cherbourg would be nice as I thought of it as a huge roll on/roll off port, not a quaint village with a marina attached.

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More winning:

  • Brexit: UK pig exports 'facing a crisis'
    The National Pig Association (NPA) said there were 100,000 animals in the UK unable to enter the food chain.
  • Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss

    Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs.
    He told the BBC JD Sports may open an EU-based distribution centre to ease the problems, which would mean creating jobs overseas and not in the UK.

Surely just minor speed bumps on the way back to Taking Back Control and freeing Britannia from the oppressive yoke of EU bureaucracy. Chin up, pip pip and cheerio lads!

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"A month into new trading rules with the European Union, freight using Fishguard and Holyhead is "dramatically down".

 

Rosslare's January traffic to the UK was down 49% on January 2019.

 

However, its European freight was up 446% as that route allows them stay in the EU and avoid customs documentation."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-55954524

 

 

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Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss

 

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55997641?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16129577028205&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fbusiness-55997641

 

The boss of one of Britain's big retailers says Brexit has turned out to be "considerably worse" than he feared.

Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs

 

More winning

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I'm trying desperately hard not to make a Brexit themed joke about cows now having gills to make exporting seafood easier.

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7 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss

 

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55997641?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16129577028205&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fbusiness-55997641

 

The boss of one of Britain's big retailers says Brexit has turned out to be "considerably worse" than he feared.

Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs

 

More winning

 

Nope, same winning.

 

5 hours ago, El Jeffo said:

Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss

Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs.
He told the BBC JD Sports may open an EU-based distribution centre to ease the problems, which would mean creating jobs overseas and not in the UK.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, yesterday said:

Brexit worse than feared, says JD Sports boss

 

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55997641?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16129577028205&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fbusiness-55997641

 

The boss of one of Britain's big retailers says Brexit has turned out to be "considerably worse" than he feared.

Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs

 

More winning

Didn't the owner support brexit?

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